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Old 11-14-2009, 11:04 AM
 
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Intellectuals will quote the verses on atonement talk like Romans 3:21 and Ephesians 2:8.

They'll say it's your common sense of right and wrong only after that.

If going to heaven is about atonement belief and common sense we live on only then we mocking God in :

Matthew 10:22, 36

People carnal minded don't really believe that.
Yet the book talking about them in Romans 8:6.

James 5:20
1 Timothy 5:20

People carnal minded say this is judgmental behavior ungodly.
Yet the book talking about them in John 8:44 and Romans 8:6.

1 Cor. 1:25
Isaiah 64:6
Matthew 5:19-20

People carnal minded just figure their belief in atonement is all the education they need besides their stamp of approval of whatever their common sense tells them about being Godly and ready for Jesus.
Yet the book still talking about them in Romans 8:6.


1 Thessalonians 5:12
2 Cor. 6:14-17
John 17:9


People carnal minded that say your 1 on 1 affair with God right is what your ticket to heaven is all about only. Extremist teaching on people unity right is just too strict for a carnal minded person. They say everybody can go to heaven and that God is not a person to reward evil on people.
Yet the book talking about them in Romans 8:6 and 2 Cor. 4:3.


2 Cor. 4:3
Titus 3:10
James 1:5
John 10

People carnal minded just freaking out and figuring the best bible teacher is their answer to bible relevation and knowledge of the book enough. They'll excuse this off and say atonement is their ticket to heaven only regardless.
Yet the book is still the book with these people in Romans 8:6.


1 Peter 3:3
1 Timothy 2:9-14

People carnal minded say this too strict and has nothing to do with being Godly. Yet they say self righteousness makes atonement in vain for man. Their the one self righteousness against the book.
Yet the book still talking in Roman 8:6.

Romans 13:1
1 Timothy 2:9-14

People carnal minded here and want to dictate for God how government and ministry should go for God. They forget God dictates and we submit to government and ministry he has something to do with only.


1 Timothy 6
Luke 12:15
Luke 3:14
Hebrews 4


People carnal minded here and say prosperity is whatever you want to be as long as your not arrested by man or fined.
Again we got Romans 8:6 talking.


1 Timothy 5:9
Romans 7:2-3
Ephesians 5:22-23
1 Cor. 7


People carnal minded and saying marriage is whatever you want it just as long as your not sexually immoral and your bringing all your money home.
Romans 8:6 again here.


Revelations 22:15, 18-19
Matthew 5:18
2 Timothy 2:15


People carnal minded saying they need a big shot and book author and somebody with a theology degree before they can study and be a successful student enough. Their expertise tells them to trust a Greek and Hebrew book over the bible book.
Certainly Romans 8:6 talking here.


Galations 1:8-9
Titus 3:10
Matthew 15:14
1 Thess. 5:12


Carnal minded people want to preach on sowing and reaping in ministries before people know anything about them except their belief in the Godhead and the 10 commandments as well as the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus only.

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Old 11-14-2009, 11:10 AM
 
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People carnal minded saying they need a big shot and book author and somebody with a theology degree before they can study and be a successful student enough. Their expertise tells them to trust a Greek and Hebrew book over the bible book.
Certainly Romans 8:6 talking here.[/quote]


I agree I think


The next verse tells us how to recognize one who is carnally minded...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


The carnal mind does not submit to the law of God.

Q. What is the law of God?

HK
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Old 11-14-2009, 11:11 AM
 
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Exactly.

The righteousness of God is His nature, not ours - thus the need for the carnal life to die...spiritually crucified, if we hear the commandment of Jesus to take up our cross.

That's the purpose, to empty us of the Adamic nature, so that He may fill us with His nature. His nature doesn't sin, doesn't doubt, isn't selfish, etc. That's why Jesus fulfilled the commandments, and that's why if any man is in Christ he is a new creature. All things are made new.
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Old 11-14-2009, 11:23 AM
 
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The next verse tells us how to recognize one who is carnally minded...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


The carnal mind does not submit to the law of God.

Q. What is the law of God?
Love God and each other . . . THAT is the law of God who IS love. It is impossible to do those two things and sin. Sin is an automatic abrogation of one or the other.
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Old 11-14-2009, 05:02 PM
 
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Let me guess you have to be a John 10 person ? lmao
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Old 11-14-2009, 05:06 PM
 
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had to read your posts several times but after i did i liked it.
good subject good post.
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:09 AM
 
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Carnal minded people want to preach on sowing and reaping in ministries before people know anything about them except their belief in the Godhead and the 10 commandments as well as the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus only.
I'm not sure I understand your post, but the phrase "Righteousness of God" caught my eye

Here are a few scriptures concerning that phrase:

1. The Gospel reveals the righteousness of God:

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation to everyone believing, both to Jew first, and to Greek;
Rom 1:17 for in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; even as it has been written, "But the just shall live by faith."

2. The Righteousness of God is upon all who believe the Gospel:

Rom 3:21 But now a righteousness of God has been revealed apart from Law, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith of Jesus Christ toward all and upon all those believing; for there is no difference,

3. We are to submit to (believe) in the righteousness of God revealed in the Gospel:

Rom 10:3 For being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they did not submit to the righteousness of God.

4. And here is the Righteousness of God revealed in the Gospel:

1Co 15:1 But, brothers, I reveal to you the gospel which I preached to you, which you also received, in which you also stand,
1Co 15:2 by which you also are being kept safe, if you hold fast the Word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you in the first place what I also received, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised the third day, according to the Scriptures,
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Old 11-15-2009, 04:27 PM
 
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Galatians 5
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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Old 11-15-2009, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by tonytonytony View Post
Intellectuals will quote the verses on atonement talk like Romans 3:21 and Ephesians 2:8.

They'll say it's your common sense of right and wrong only after that.

If going to heaven is about atonement belief and common sense we live on only then we mocking God in :

Matthew 10:22, 36

People carnal minded don't really believe that.
Yet the book talking about them in Romans 8:6.

James 5:20
1 Timothy 5:20

People carnal minded say this is judgmental behavior ungodly.
Yet the book talking about them in John 8:44 and Romans 8:6.

1 Cor. 1:25
Isaiah 64:6
Matthew 5:19-20

People carnal minded just figure their belief in atonement is all the education they need besides their stamp of approval of whatever their common sense tells them about being Godly and ready for Jesus.
Yet the book still talking about them in Romans 8:6.


1 Thessalonians 5:12
2 Cor. 6:14-17
John 17:9


People carnal minded that say your 1 on 1 affair with God right is what your ticket to heaven is all about only. Extremist teaching on people unity right is just too strict for a carnal minded person. They say everybody can go to heaven and that God is not a person to reward evil on people.
Yet the book talking about them in Romans 8:6 and 2 Cor. 4:3.


2 Cor. 4:3
Titus 3:10
James 1:5
John 10

People carnal minded just freaking out and figuring the best bible teacher is their answer to bible relevation and knowledge of the book enough. They'll excuse this off and say atonement is their ticket to heaven only regardless.
Yet the book is still the book with these people in Romans 8:6.


1 Peter 3:3
1 Timothy 2:9-14

People carnal minded say this too strict and has nothing to do with being Godly. Yet they say self righteousness makes atonement in vain for man. Their the one self righteousness against the book.
Yet the book still talking in Roman 8:6.

Romans 13:1
1 Timothy 2:9-14

People carnal minded here and want to dictate for God how government and ministry should go for God. They forget God dictates and we submit to government and ministry he has something to do with only.


1 Timothy 6
Luke 12:15
Luke 3:14
Hebrews 4


People carnal minded here and say prosperity is whatever you want to be as long as your not arrested by man or fined.
Again we got Romans 8:6 talking.


1 Timothy 5:9
Romans 7:2-3
Ephesians 5:22-23
1 Cor. 7


People carnal minded and saying marriage is whatever you want it just as long as your not sexually immoral and your bringing all your money home.
Romans 8:6 again here.


Revelations 22:15, 18-19
Matthew 5:18
2 Timothy 2:15


People carnal minded saying they need a big shot and book author and somebody with a theology degree before they can study and be a successful student enough. Their expertise tells them to trust a Greek and Hebrew book over the bible book.
Certainly Romans 8:6 talking here.


Galations 1:8-9
Titus 3:10
Matthew 15:14
1 Thess. 5:12


Carnal minded people want to preach on sowing and reaping in ministries before people know anything about them except their belief in the Godhead and the 10 commandments as well as the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus only.
Bless Your Word Father...For it is Written:

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Amen.

Our REAL battlefield with the enemy is the battlefield of our minds...
...knowing the location of our real battlefield with the enemy is vitally important...
...and when we can fully comprehend and appraise the location, then and ONLY then, are we able to take full authority through the shed blood of Jesus Christ and defeat the enemy where he attacks...in our minds.

There is only ONE place that Satan can attack people, whether they are Christians or have never accepted Christ in their lives. That one place is in the battlefield of the mind...the mind is the real battlefield where the initial attack takes place.

When God created Adam, He gave him dominion and authority over everything on this earth. Only a person who had complete dominion and authority over his own mind first could ever govern everything God created him to rule. Satan knew that the only way he could ever gain access to man's soul (and thereby lead him step by step into death) was through the gateway of the mind. So this was exactly how he approached Eve in the Garden of Eden...through her mind.

Satan asked her a question which aroused her thinking in Satan's direction instead of God's. Next he went after her imagination, which is another function of the mind, capturing her with the idea of being like God. Then Satan easily captured another mental function, her inner vision, and she saw that the tree from which God warned her not to eat, was "good for food."

Adam and Eve were never forced to yield their minds to the enemy. Their minds were not something over which they had no control. Quite the contrary, each had a completely free moral will. Through their minds they could either choose to use that will in direct disobedience to God, or choose to obey Him. Adam and Eve CHOSE rebellion, and thereby came separation from God...all at once, both of their minds (which were once occupied by thoughts, direction, and communion with God) were flooded with thoughts inspired by the enemy (Genesis 3).

Adam could only effectively rule over the earth to the extent that his mind was in communion with God. Thus we...as future kings and priests of our Lord, can only rule the kingdoms of God to the extent that we regain the complete dominion and authority of our own minds NOW...AND PLACE THEM FULLY UNDER THE BLOOD OF CHRIST!


...After recognizing that the REAL battlefield is in the area of our minds, our battlefield objective then MUST BE to take our FULL AUTHORITY over the enemy and bring every thought and our entire minds under control of the Holy Spirit...we MUST root out, pull down, and DESTROY ALL THE WORKS of the enemy in our minds...we MUST stand up, resist the devil, and in the power of Christ throw out ALL of the enemy strongholds of our carnal minds...

...ONLY THEN can our minds be FULLY renewed...

...Selah.
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Pilot Point, TX
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...After recognizing that the REAL battlefield is in the area of our minds, our battlefield objective then MUST BE to take our FULL AUTHORITY over the enemy and bring every thought and our entire minds under control of the Holy Spirit...we MUST root out, pull down, and DESTROY ALL THE WORKS of the enemy in our minds...we MUST stand up, resist the devil, and in the power of Christ throw out ALL of the enemy strongholds of our carnal minds...

...ONLY THEN can our minds be FULLY renewed...

...Selah.
'Tis true, but please don't overlook the methods God uses to kill our flesh via the cross in our lives - we should resist the devil, yes, but we shouldn't resist the (often unpleasant) things God brings into our lives to grate on our flesh. It takes crying out to Him when things come to say "Not from you satan, but from my Father's hand will I receive this for the trying of my faith...".

Resisting the cross is a big thing in today's Christianity, imo.
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