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Ted, you should know by now, that they honestly can't look at the Early Church Fathers, and remain in there beliefs. So they just throw out stuff, and try and discredit them.
They are discredited by the very people who describe them as Fathers, because they did not canonise the writings of these men.
Very true, but just because they weren't canonised, doesn't mean everything contained in it was wrong. And Like Ted said, it and others were written after the books that were canonized.
True- but then false teachers never get everything wrong.
So you're saying that any writings which are not part of the canon come from false teachers. That makes no sense - nothing written during the reformation was added to the Bible, so I guess by your argument the Protestant movement was led by "false teachers".
Justin Martyr was born in Flavia Neapolis circa 100 A.D., and converted to Christianity sometime around 130 A.D. A Christian apologist, he taught and defended Christianity in Asia Minor and at Rome. He suffered martyrdom in Rome about 165 A.D.
Justin Martyr's "First Apology" is the oldest (non-New Testament) record we have of how early Christian worship was conducted (Liturgy).
And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things.
Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons.
And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need.
This is how Catholics have celebrated the Mass/Eucharist Celebration 7/24 for 2,000 years non stop.
I find ur thread interesting. Are u saying this is how all worship services should be conducted? It seems to me there are some Biblical examples of worship services too and they r not exactly as described in this thread. The Bible says "true worshippers must worship in spirit and in truth..." I believe the worship of God is a spiritual matter and is not in the form of tradition or ritual. Now having said that I think people r free to worship in the manner they believe to be consistent with God's Word. One of the things Jesus warned his disciples about was the leaven or teachings of the Pharisees or the religious leaders of that day... Believers r not bound by the traditions of men.
What you wrote made no sense which is why I was asking.
You weren't asking. You were misrepresenting, accidentally or otherwise.
Those who fail to use the quote method are inevitably susceptible to that suspicion.
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