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There was question to Jesus was prompted by some people in Jesus' audience. It had to do with the fact that Pilate had killed off some Galileans and mixed their blood with blood of some sacrifices.
"Jesus answered, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way?"Luke 13:2
Jesus" answer... a object lesson. Instead a word of sympothy or a universal restoration message for these Galileans, instead he chose to warn his audience about their situation between them and God.
"I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish." Luke 13:3
Only a loving Savior would warn the living about what awaits those who do not repent.
Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
There was question to Jesus was prompted by some people in Jesus' audience. It had to do with the fact that Pilate had killed off some Galileans and mixed their blood with blood of some sacrifices.
"Jesus answered, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way?"Luke 13:2
Jesus" answer... a object lesson. Instead a word of sympothy or a universal restoration message for these Galileans, instead he chose to warn his audience about their situation between them and God.
"I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish." Luke 13:3
Only a loving Savior would warn the living about what awaits those who do not repent.
Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
Jesus said "I came to seek and to save the perished/lost/destroyed sheep of the house of Israel."
Being perished, lost, destroyed is a prerequisite to being saved.
There was question to Jesus was prompted by some people in Jesus' audience. It had to do with the fact that Pilate had killed off some Galileans and mixed their blood with blood of some sacrifices.
"Jesus answered, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way?"Luke 13:2
Jesus" answer... a object lesson. Instead a word of sympothy or a universal restoration message for these Galileans, instead he chose to warn his audience about their situation between them and God.
"I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish." Luke 13:3
Only a loving Savior would warn the living about what awaits those who do not repent.
Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
I think you missed a couple verses here:
1Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem?5I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
So in reality Jesus was warning them about the destruction soon to come to Jerusalem and that unless they repented of the Pharisaical ways they too would perish.. as in DIE. Those who repented and listened to Jesus (believing him about the times to come) escaped the death of those who stayed in Jerusalem during the war... now the war is over, yet you feel this passage is meant for you today? did you have blood mixed in with your sacrifice? I mean really...
Why do some people think the bible is talking to them.. Jesus was speaking to living, breathing, thinking people at that time... yet you erroneously apply this to you? This is a recording of history. Do you also take other parts of history and apply the words spoken to others to yourself?
This is not part of Marks' gospel. Use of the the so-called King James Version gives no indication of this. Recent translations usually do. They of course also have the advantage (or disadvantage) of current English.
This is not part of Marks' gospel. Use of the the so-called King James Version gives no indication of this. Recent translations usually do. They of course also have the advantage (or disadvantage) of current English.
What is it you are trying to say? Chapter 16 appears in all 14 translations I use....
1Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem?5I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
So in reality Jesus was warning them about the destruction soon to come to Jerusalem and that unless they repented of the Pharisaical ways they too would perish.. as in DIE. Those who repented and listened to Jesus (believing him about the times to come) escaped the death of those who stayed in Jerusalem during the war... now the war is over, yet you feel this passage is meant for you today? did you have blood mixed in with your sacrifice? I mean really...
Why do some people think the bible is talking to them.. Jesus was speaking to living, breathing, thinking people at that time... yet you erroneously apply this to you? This is a recording of history. Do you also take other parts of history and apply the words spoken to others to yourself?
"Why do some people think the bible is talking to them.. "
Don't you?
If not .........then who do the UR'ers think 1Tim 2:4 "savior of all" is talking to?
If Jesus meant this to be a UR...Jesus wouldn't have used the word "unless"
If Jesus hadn't told the words to Paul about God saving all because Jesus ransomed all then you might be right. But, alas, you have fallen down the rabbit hole and can't see straight.
"Why do some people think the bible is talking to them.. "
Don't you?
If not .........then who do the UR'ers think 1Tim 2:4 "savior of all" is talking to?
Take a statement like "Jesus is the savior of all" next to a statement "unless YOU repent YOU too will perish...."
You appear to believe you are the "YOU" in the second statement.. yet you weren't born then were you?
Does the first statement a have YOU in quotes?
But yet YOU are saying that unless someone NOW repents then they are the YOU and will perish.....
So does the one apply to now and not the other? YEP.. the quotes mean that Jesus was actually talking to people THEN not now.. it is recorded for our edification but is NOT directed toward us. WE ARE NOT THE "YOU." The people Jesus was speaking to are the YOU.... And a great many of them died in the city of Jerusalem.. some heard his words and lived.
1 Timothy is a statement of fact that CAN and DOES span time.... Jesus IS the savior of ALL...
There is a difference between applying words in quotes spoken directly to someone else (who has been dead for over 2000 years) to oneself and applying a statement of fact to oneself.
If Jesus hadn't told the words to Paul about God saving all because Jesus ransomed all then you might be right. But, alas, you have fallen down the rabbit hole and can't see straight.
Like these words that Jesus told Paul:
2 Thessalonians 2:12
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemnedwho have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
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