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I just find it odd and disrespectful that some posters are ashamed of Atlanta's blackness and try to minimize and deny it. I think Atlanta's blackness is what makes it unique and it should be embraced by residents such as yourself.
Not to take anything away from Marshall, but I think the claims they make are a bit of exaggeration at best or a flat out reorganization of history at worst.
Particularly in the HBCU department.
Wiley College
and what else?
And Wiley against Howard, Tuskeegee, Hampton, Dillard, Wilberforce, and Fisk (the last two historically)? I won't even bring in Spelman, Morehouse or AU into that conversation as I don't want it to seem like I'm being biased...and it would get a bit embarrassing for Wiley.
Not to take anything away from Marshall, but I think the claims they make are a bit of exaggeration at best or a flat out reorganization of history at worst.
Particularly in the HBCU department.
Wiley College
and what else?
And Wiley against Howard, Tuskeegee, Hampton, Dillard, Wilberforce, and Fisk (the last two historically)? I won't even bring in Spelman, Morehouse or AU into that conversation as I don't want it to seem like I'm being biased...and it would get a bit embarrassing for Wiley.
But seriously, Marshall, TX?
Go back here to see how Marshall entered the conversation.
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I can see U ain't movin, and neither am I!LOL.We just have to agree to disagree.
Its not about who has more and for how long.Capitals do change you know.Since the question is not one of historical emphasis,then for me its Atlanta.Part of what makes people identify with a place is recognizing the history and accomplishments.While many people know of New Orleans unfortunately its not held in the revered status (as it should).To much negativity(unfortunately)is associated with it.Southern cities like Memphis,Birmingham,Jacksonville all have a stigma do to the poverty and corruption by their own leaders.Atlanta actually could have been included in that to an extent.We turned that corner I think after the Olympics.Yet even then due to Bill Campbell's reign some negativity only now has subsided.
I believe the future is bright for New Orleans now because people recognize what they almost lost.But for the majority of A.A. its gonna take a lot longer to realize this
NO actually seems to be more of a blending of cultures not just one maybe thats why it isn't considered a black capital (although I don't believe there is one). A lot of NO culture has to do with the mixing of African/French & Spanish/Native cultures. This happened because the French and Spanish (Portuguese as well) allowed their slaves and the natives to assimilate into their culture more. And that's not just in NO either (Also in the Caribbean, Brazil & Latin America). Where as blacks in anglo-saxon colonies tended to practice their traditions in secret (we were not totally stripped of our traditons like the history books tell you). Much of AA culture actually came about because of segregation. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Civil Rights Movement, Harlem Renaisance, The Nation of Islam, Hip Hop, Blues, Pop, R&B, Black Power Movement, Black Arts Movement, Gospel music, Rock and Roll, Doo wop, house, techno, many dance styles, the black church etc just as important as anything in NO to african american culture? many of these were created in other cities.
Go back here to see how Marshall entered the conversation.
^Even with that said no need for him to throw Willey College under the bus. HBCU have a hard enough time getting respect as it is. If he understood the demographics of Texas he would understand Marshall, Texas significant to black Texans. The majority of those native black Texans roots came from East Texas. Marshall at that time was the cultural capital and still in many regards considered the culture capital of East Texas. Bishop College and Wiley College laid the foundation for the civil rights movement in the state of Texas. Rather the poster wants to acknowledge it or not it is his business. When it comes to subjects regarding "Black America" this is the main reason I make such sarcastic comments because some Atlantans disregard the rest of black history as if there’s trump all. Black America is bigger than the 1.7 million blacks that encompass Metro ATL. Knowledge is infinite people...If there is a such thing as a black capital Atlanta wins no contest.
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ha ha you got jokes...but nope it aint Fort Worth...I don't expect an Atlantan to know the answer to the question considering everything begins and end in ATL as far as the black experience in America.
ouch!Hey man.I have stood up for Dallas (especially) black roots many of times when YOU were getting hammered by the "Houston Homies"
I just find it odd and disrespectful that some posters are ashamed of Atlanta's blackness and try to minimize and deny it. I think Atlanta's blackness is what makes it unique and it should be embraced by residents such as yourself.
I gotta take up for Johnatl.That is not what he was saying.He is often speaking out against racist,sexist or other remarks.With this comment I agree with him.The only reason I did not say anything is because he already did.
We have had a topic about this before on C-D where I brought up that very same thing.I mentioned something to the fact that in order to be a truly international city it must be unified in one culture.The wording I could have said better as I originally said it was a positive thing about Atlanta being less black.Some "psuedo" liberal white guy from a Northern state who hates Atlanta asked me why would I want to diminish the black population of Atlanta as that is the only thing(in his mid) that made it unique.He then turned it around and tried to act as if I was the one who said diminish when in reality I only meant that every great city has to grow and change to become more accepting and wordily of all culture.We cannot be selfish but we can respect what we have by also respecting other newcomers ways as well
When I explained,he got really indignant and acused me of being a racist!I told him Im black,he preceded to tell me off and feign like he was defending the honor of the black race.Even though the other posters (whom were black) also understood what I said.
So no that is not what he meant.Go back and look through many of his post and you will see he is a very open ,honest and fair poster.In fact most of the Atlanta posters are like that.Black,Asian or white
I just find it odd and disrespectful that some posters are ashamed of Atlanta's blackness and try to minimize and deny it. I think Atlanta's blackness is what makes it unique and it should be embraced by residents such as yourself.
LOL! Try again.
You could not possiby be more insulting if you tried, which I'm sure you will.
I gotta take up for Johnatl.That is not what he was saying.He is often speaking out against racist,sexist or other remarks.With this comment I agree with him.The only reason I did not say anything is because he already did.
We have had a topic about this before on C-D where I brought up that very same thing.I mentioned something to the fact that in order to be a truly international city it must be unified in one culture.The wording I could have said better as I originally said it was a positive thing about Atlanta being less black.Some "psuedo" liberal white guy from a Northern state who hates Atlanta asked me why would I want to diminish the black population of Atlanta as that is the only thing(in his mid) that made it unique.He then turned it around and tried to act as if I was the one who said diminish when in reality I only meant that every great city has to grow and change to become more accepting and wordily of all culture.We cannot be selfish but we can respect what we have by also respecting other newcomers ways as well
When I explained,he got really indignant and acused me of being a racist!I told him Im black,he preceded to tell me off and feign like he was defending the honor of the black race.Even though the other posters (whom were black) also understood what I said.
So no that is not what he meant.Go back and look through many of his post and you will see he is a very open ,honest and fair poster.In fact most of the Atlanta posters are like that.Black,Asian or white
Just so you'll know, you are speaking to the exact same poster that you reference. He is using a new name. It appears his hatred of Atlanta has only grown worse.
I just find it odd and disrespectful that some posters are ashamed of Atlanta's blackness and try to minimize and deny it. I think Atlanta's blackness is what makes it unique and it should be embraced by residents such as yourself.
I find it stupid that certain closet racist poster would try to patronize the Atlanta posters by claiming there is nothing but "black music" in Atlanta, as if so called "black music" even exist and subsequently implying all black people only like what is portrayed as "black music" ( rap, r&b) which is a lie at best; meanwhile Atlanta has a very diverse music scene from hip hop to metal to trance to noise and everything in between. Nice try though.
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I told him Im black,he preceded to tell me off and feign like he was defending the honor of the black race.Even though the other posters (whom were black) also understood what I said.
