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Old 02-17-2012, 04:13 PM
 
Location: NYC
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It is a depiction of roughly 500 miles of uninterrupted urbanity. I have nothing invested in changing your perception or anyone else's. I am putting it out there and different people will see different things.
I'd say it's about 300 miles uninterrupted. There are definitely noticeable breaks between the DE/MD border and the northeast suburbs of Baltimore as well as between Springfield and Worcester.

And let's be real, it's not all urban. The only truly urban stretches are the ones showing up in dark brown... The rest is mostly suburban/exurban. But I know what you mean. When you drive down I-95 it does feel like you are always going through something. The Northeast Corridor is remarkable. 4 of the top 7 cities in the country, and half a dozen other important cities, within 450 miles. There is nothing like that anywhere in the world. Not in Europe, and not even in Japan.

All we need is HSR.

 
Old 02-17-2012, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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I'd say it's about 300 miles uninterrupted. There are definitely noticeable breaks between the DE/MD border and the northeast suburbs of Baltimore as well as between Springfield and Worcester.

And let's be real, it's not all urban. The only truly urban stretches are the ones showing up in dark brown... The rest is mostly suburban/exurban. But I know what you mean. When you drive down I-95 it does feel like you are always going through something. The Northeast Corridor is remarkable. 4 of the top 7 cities in the country, and half a dozen other important cities, within 450 miles. There is nothing like that anywhere in the world. Not in Europe, and not even in Japan.

All we need is HSR.
It is 500 miles of uninterrupted development. I agree it is the highest concentration of major urban centers in our country, kind of hard to argue with that. But to say it is even 300 miles of continuous urbanity is just not true.

HSR should be running up and down both coasts by now.
 
Old 02-17-2012, 04:21 PM
 
Location: NYC
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It is 500 miles of uninterrupted development. I agree it is the highest concentration of major urban centers in our country, kind of hard to argue with that. But to say it is even 300 miles of continuous urbanity is just not true.

HSR should be running up and down both coasts by now.
I wouldn't say it's 500 miles of uninterrupted development, but it is almost 300 miles of uninterrupted urban/suburban development. You can drive from the MA/DE border to Springfield without hitting an empty patch. Maybe just a couple miles here and there.
 
Old 02-17-2012, 04:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Fitzrovian View Post
I'd say it's about 300 miles uninterrupted. There are definitely noticeable breaks between the DE/MD border and the northeast suburbs of Baltimore as well as between Springfield and Worcester.

And let's be real, it's not all urban. The only truly urban stretches are the ones showing up in dark brown... The rest is mostly suburban/exurban. But I know what you mean. When you drive down I-95 it does feel like you are always going through something. The Northeast Corridor is remarkable. 4 of the top 7 cities in the country, and half a dozen other important cities, within 450 miles. There is nothing like that anywhere in the world. Not in Europe, and not even in Japan.

All we need is HSR.
Shenzhen, Dongguan, Foshan, Hong Kong, Macau and Guangzhou is more impressive IMO. Quite a bit more urban.
 
Old 02-17-2012, 04:33 PM
 
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I'd say it's about 300 miles uninterrupted. There are definitely noticeable breaks between the DE/MD border and the northeast suburbs of Baltimore as well as between Springfield and Worcester.

And let's be real, it's not all urban. The only truly urban stretches are the ones showing up in dark brown... The rest is mostly suburban/exurban. But I know what you mean. When you drive down I-95 it does feel like you are always going through something. The Northeast Corridor is remarkable. 4 of the top 7 cities in the country, and half a dozen other important cities, within 450 miles. There is nothing like that anywhere in the world. Not in Europe, and not even in Japan.

All we need is HSR.
As I expected in posting the map, different people will see different things and make different observations. Re the bolded comment, I am not as familiar with the Worcester/Springfield metro. I always pass through Providence on my way to Boston which is a solidly developed corridor. As the DE/MD stretch, however, you are correct that I-95 goes through a less developed corridor. However, 95 was planned to bypass the congestion along Route 40 (the Pulaski Highway) that extends from Wilmington into Baltimore.

As to the map, it's also interesting to note it does not extend as far north as Portland nor as far south as Fredricksburg - fairly solidly developed areas extending Bos-Wash in both directions.
 
Old 02-17-2012, 04:36 PM
 
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Shenzhen, Dongguan, Foshan, Hong Kong, Macau and Guangzhou is more impressive IMO. Quite a bit more urban.
I wasnt talking so much about the concentration of population as the fact that we have 4 extremely important cities (3 of which are routinely ranked in top 25 by global significance) within such a short distance. I am sure you could find more people in less space in Asia (and maybe even Europe) but nowhere will you find 4 cities that are as significant so close to each other.
 
Old 02-17-2012, 04:47 PM
 
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I wasnt talking so much about the concentration of population as the fact that we have 4 extremely important cities (3 of which are routinely ranked in top 25 by global significance) within such a short distance. I am sure you could find more people in less space in Asia (and maybe even Europe) but nowhere will you find 4 cities that are as significant so close to each other.
True.

The triangle that forms the London/Paris/Amsterdam connection plus rail is significant however.
Within that you have Brussels, Rotterdam, The Hague, Lille, and Antwerp. Extended just a bit and you have Dusseldorf, Cologne, Luxembourg.
TGV/Eurostar/The Channel Tunnel is also much faster than any HSR in the U.S.
I would say that NQ quadrant of Western Europe trumps the NE Corridor.
Paris to Amsterdam is only 300 miles.
America is a laughing stock compared to Europe or Japan as far as rail goes honestly.
 
Old 02-17-2012, 04:49 PM
 
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Leave it to some posters to downplay the significance of the northeast.
 
Old 02-17-2012, 04:52 PM
 
Location: NYC
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As I expected in posting the map, different people will see different things and make different observations. Re the bolded comment, I am not as familiar with the Worcester/Springfield metro. I always pass through Providence on my way to Boston which is a solidly developed corridor. As the DE/MD stretch, however, you are correct that I-95 goes through a less developed corridor. However, 95 was planned to bypass the congestion along Route 40 (the Pulaski Highway) that extends from Wilmington into Baltimore.

As to the map, it's also interesting to note it does not extend as far north as Portland nor as far south as Fredricksburg - fairly solidly developed areas extending Bos-Wash in both directions.
Yeah but if you go through Providence then things die down even earlier. You don't have a whole lot going on between New Haven and Providence except for a few small towns along the cost.

As for the other side you still have an empty stretch between Elkton and Perryville even if you take Pulaski.
 
Old 02-17-2012, 04:55 PM
 
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True.

The triangle that forms the London/Paris/Amsterdam connection plus rail is significant however.
Within that you have Brussels, Rotterdam, The Hague, Lille, and Antwerp. Extended just a bit and you have Dusseldorf, Cologne, Luxembourg.
TGV/Eurostar/The Channel Tunnel is also much faster than any HSR in the U.S.
I would say that NQ quadrant of Western Europe trumps the NE Corridor.
Paris to Amsterdam is only 300 miles.
London to Paris is about 300 miles and separated by the Channel. Same distance from Paris to Amsterdam. Not the same proximity.
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