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I'd say the chances of this passing today are 60/40, hopefully Metro and Move LA can move towards a county-wide consensus by 2016, when it would likely be put on the ballot.
In 50-100 years LA will have a DC or Chicago level of rail coverage, at least at the current rate of progress. In 20 years LA will have the kind of rail system that can compete with Boston's level of coverage, just over a much greater land area. Right now it's around SF or Philly level, or slightly below.
This is quite a claim. One that is very arguable and that many LA residents would even dispute!
Also, in 50-100 years, Chicago and DC will have also improved and expanded their transit systems ---- The El and the DC metro have projects in the works to expand. So if you were right that LA will be on equal ground with DC and Chicago - it will be on equal grounds as of 2014 .... while Chicago and DC will have continued to improve and expand.
This is not a bad thing - LA is just a different kind of city that is more decentralized than NY, SF, DC, Boston, Philly. All cities are different and that's ok.
This is quite a claim. One that is very arguable and that many LA residents would even dispute!
Also, in 50-100 years, Chicago and DC will have also improved and expanded their transit systems ---- The El and the DC metro have projects in the works to expand. So if you were right that LA will be on equal ground with DC and Chicago - it will be on equal grounds as of 2014 .... while Chicago and DC will have continued to improve and expand.
This is not a bad thing - LA is just a different kind of city that is more decentralized than NY, SF, DC, Boston, Philly. All cities are different and that's ok.
Someone already pointed this out, and I said in my next post that LAs would be as good as those systems are currently. Of course, there is only so much transit that can feasibly be built, so hopefully in 100 years all these cities have Tokyo-esque rail systems, and there is no need to keep expanding the systems!
LA made a bad example of itself to create this suburban sprawl aka decentralization from its core aka downtown center. A centralized location where people interact with each other at a business, leisure, or work setting rather than to be stuck in traffic inside a vehicle on the highway or road for a long time. Also, LA had a very efficient mass transit infrastructure to cover its metro area, but it was destroyed. Until in the 1990s, LA FINALLY REALIZED that it must rebuild & expand its mass transit infrastructure to be reconnected. If LA wants to be a REAL WORLD CLASS CITY then it must have a completely operational rail system within its city limit. How sad, LA does not have a rail line from airport to downtown vice versa as the second largest US major city. When you compare to other US major cities to have one: NYC, CHI, DC, BOS, PHL, BAL, SF, SEA, PTL, ATL, DAL, MIA, MPLS, STL, & CLE.
How can you argue on one hand that LA can never have an efficient transit system, and then turn around and say LA HAD an efficient transit system? LA has only gotten more dense and transit oriented over the last few decades. And I recognize your movie quoting trolling style from the LA boards, where you consistently make a fool of yourself.
Someone already pointed this out, and I said in my next post that LAs would be as good as those systems are currently. Of course, there is only so much transit that can feasibly be built, so hopefully in 100 years all these cities have Tokyo-esque rail systems, and there is no need to keep expanding the systems!
When L.A.'s rail expansion projects are completed (in under a decade, not 50 years like that joker claims) won't it be larger than DC and Chicago's current systems in terms of length? Yeah, it's majority light rail, but still. It's not that small.
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Ray - not sure if you have the list of people by metro that live above a score of 80 - might be interesting to access the coverage of people by transit - imagine LA would actually do quite well on that metric
It might get dragged down a bit on aggregate-- the Green and Blue Lines pass through a lot of relatively unwalkable areas, but it also hits walkable areas in Long Beach, Pasadena, Culver City and (very soon) Santa Monica. Then there's this:
Those results more a product of the small size of L.A.'s heavy rail network. Even then, the Red and Purple Lines passes through neighborhoods that are home to hundreds of thousands of people.
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Miami & LA should have efficient & expandable mass transit system, but they're SUNBELT cities to be married to their vehicles. Plus, both cities are notorious to be too plastic about themselves as so-called glamorous & celebrity like status. Although both cities do have gorgeous beaches & coastlines from the Atlantic & Pacific Oceans to take your breath away for visits only.
Tired, inaccurate stereotype alert.
LA is a metropolis of over 18 million people, and the 2nd biggest melting pot in North America. Approx 10% of the economy is the entertainment industry, and that includes all the creative types making it happen, not just actors and wanabees. Yet the whole city is plastic. Yup.
NYC subway is known with it's rat infested stations with constant station/line and entry/exit closures and union workers working painfully slow on any kind of repair. Not to mention it's always insanely crowded at all hours of the day with creepy bums singing and bothering hell out of people. There is also unexplained hikes in fares to accomodate for union worker pension plans. Screw that.
Late at night, it's only in NYC that it will take 2 hours by subway to get from Brooklyn to Hoboken. Sometimes you can wait over 10 minutes for a train to come in a ridiculously hot sufficating station. A true PITA
Just because NYC has the biggest subway, doesn't mean it's the best. It actually sucks.
Well this one wins "dumbest post on the thread" award.
If transit in NYC "sucks", I hate to think what you think of transit in other U.S. cities. Because around 60% of New Yorkers don't even own cars, and even some suburbs of NYC are more transit oriented than fairly transit oriented cities like Chicago and Philly.
NYC has the largest heavy rail subway system on earth, the only system on earth than runs 24/7, and the highest ridership of any system in the Western world. It carries far more riders than every other rail system in the U.S. combined. It's the only U.S. city with a truly world-class transit network. It's the only U.S. city where a large number of middle class and affluent lifestyles live car-free, totally transit-oriented lifestyles.
Well this one wins "dumbest post on the thread" award.
If transit in NYC "sucks", I hate to think what you think of transit in other U.S. cities. Because around 60% of New Yorkers don't even own cars, and even some suburbs of NYC are more transit oriented than fairly transit oriented cities like Chicago and Philly.
NYC has the largest heavy rail subway system on earth, the only system on earth than runs 24/7, and the highest ridership of any system in the Western world. It carries far more riders than every other rail system in the U.S. combined. It's the only U.S. city with a truly world-class transit network. It's the only U.S. city where a large number of middle class and affluent lifestyles live car-free, totally transit-oriented lifestyles.
Dumb? Why because I don't beat off to everything NYC does a vertical metropolis?
Yeah that's great how it has high ridership but the subway is still an old piece of crap.
Dumb? Why because I don't beat off to everything NYC does a vertical metropolis?
Yeah that's great how it has high ridership but the subway is still an old piece of crap.
Well, that's bizarre.
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