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I for one don't think of Las Vegas as a city, I think of it as a theme park.
Which simply demonstrates how little you know about Las Vegas.
Its largest employer and industrial driver is the strip. And, as industries go, it beats the hell out of a lot of others. But it also has Nellis and a large population not directly connected to the strip.
And it has another not obvious industry in its retirement communities. Probably more retirees here with more money then there are strip employees.
So why don't you put Las Vegas as #1+++ as you know it is in the first two category and pretty super in the 4th?
Because none of the questions about Vegas were about the strip. My lists were based on Downtown Vegas and or the metro area. Vegas is the oddball on the list.
Because none of the questions about Vegas were about the strip. My lists were based on Downtown Vegas and or the metro area. Vegas is the oddball on the list.
Sorry - In the intent asked Downtown Vegas is the strip...ain't no other. Downtown City of Las Vegas is a different place...but it is in the city of Las Vegas which is no where near 2 million people.
Said another way "Downtown Las Vegas" is not the downtown of metropolitan Las Vegas. Actually our downtown is not even in the City of Las Vegas.
Nothing oddball about Metro Las Vegas. It is a big sprawling integrated city centered on the strip. Which is its downtown in the real meaning of the words.
Sorry - In the intent asked Downtown Vegas is the strip...ain't no other. Downtown City of Las Vegas is a different place...but it is in the city of Las Vegas which is no where near 2 million people.
Said another way "Downtown Las Vegas" is not the downtown of metropolitan Las Vegas. Actually our downtown is not even in the City of Las Vegas.
Nothing oddball about Metro Las Vegas. It is a big sprawling integrated city centered on the strip. Which is its downtown in the real meaning of the words.
But Las Vegas does have a downtown, it's obviously overshadowed by the strip which is a completely different animal than the downtowns of the other cities. As you said, most of the strip is not even in the city of Las Vegas and it does not function like a typical CBD even though there are more office buildings on the strip than in Downtown. Plus, the vast majority of people using the strip's nightlife are not locals.
But assuming the Strip is downtown, here is how I would change the list.
How would you rank them (first to last) in the following criteria:
1. Downtown vibrancy
Las Vegas
Denver
San Antonio
Portland
Baltimore
Cincinnati
Kansas City
St. Louis
Pittsburgh
Charlotte
Orlando
Cleveland
Tampa
Sacramento
2. Nighttime vibrancy
Las Vegas
San Antonio
Portland
Denver
Kansas City
Charlotte
Tampa
Baltimore
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Orlando
Cleveland
St. Louis
Sacramento
3. Size of metro (physical, subjective)
Tampa
Denver
St. Louis
Cleveland
Baltimore
Cincinnati
Kansas City
Pittsburgh
Charlotte
Portland
San Antonio
Sacramento
Orlando
Las Vegas
4. Size of downtown (subjective 'downtown' not official)
Las Vegas
Pittsburgh
Denver
Charlotte
Baltimore
Tampa
Cincinnati
Kansas City
Cleveland
Portland
St. Louis
Orlando
Sacramento
San Antonio
But Las Vegas does have a downtown, it's obviously overshadowed by the strip which is a completely different animal than the downtowns of the other cities. As you said, most of the strip is not even in the city of Las Vegas and it does not function like a typical CBD even though there are more office buildings on the strip than in Downtown. Plus, the vast majority of people using the strip's nightlife are not locals.
But assuming the Strip is downtown, here is how I would change the list.
How would you rank them (first to last) in the following criteria:
Why thank you. Those of us who live in the odd places need to maintain a defense against being marginalized for being different...But LV is actually a quite normal city built around an abnormal core.
Why thank you. Those of us who live in the odd places need to maintain a defense against being marginalized for being different...But LV is actually a quite normal city built around an abnormal core.
Yes, I agree, having been to Vegas many times and spending time around the entire metro, there really is not that much difference in the city as far as living there. Instead of pro sports or museums, you have more entertainment type options if you do decide to go down to the strip, but life in most city and suburban areas of metro Vegas is not really any different than any other major city from my experience.
But it is still one of the world's most unique cities, so it can be difficult to compare the city to other cities that would be normally considered peers. With only 2 million people, Vegas is a smaller city, but is there another city in the USA except maybe NYC that even competes with Las Vegas when it comes to entertainment, nightlife and tourism?
By the way, I have not looked lately, did they ever figure out what to do with skyscraper Fontainebleau?
To be fair, Austin isn't over 2 million either but it's on the list. While it will reach 2 million before 2020, there's no current measurement that places it near, at or above 2 million.....unless 1.8 million and change is considered "near". Near to me would have to be 1.95 million+.
Also note that at the time this thread was created, others weren't over or near 2 million in their MSAs either.
Like em all. It's hard to rank them because they all offer something a little different. Obviously Vegas is sort of its own thing though.
How would you rank them (first to last) in the following criteria:
1. Downtown vibrancy
Denver
San Antonio
Portland
Baltimore
Cincinnati
Kansas City
St. Louis
Pittsburgh
Charlotte
Orlando
Cleveland
Tampa
Sacramento
Las Vegas
2. Nighttime vibrancy
San Antonio
Portland
Denver
Kansas City
Charlotte
Tampa
Baltimore
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Orlando
Cleveland
St. Louis
Las Vegas
Sacramento
3. Size of metro (physical, subjective)
Tampa
Denver
St. Louis
Cleveland
Baltimore
Cincinnati
Kansas City
Pittsburgh
Charlotte
Portland
San Antonio
Sacramento
Orlando
Las Vegas
4. Size of downtown (subjective 'downtown' not official)
Pittsburgh
Denver
Charlotte
Baltimore
Tampa
Cincinnati
Kansas City
Cleveland
Portland
St. Louis
Orlando
Sacramento
San Antonio
Las Vegas
Nice list. Obviously vibrancy is going to be a subjective metric as well. For size of metro and downtown since it's also subjective, are you going by how big the built up area feels (in person/pictures)?
I ask mainly because Pittsburgh probably has by far the smallest geographical downtown at 0.7 square miles, although it is definitely the densest and tallest of the group.
I ask mainly because Pittsburgh probably has by far the smallest geographical downtown at 0.7 square miles, although it is definitely the densest and tallest of the group.
Its not the densest downtown CBD of those listed. Buildings maybe, but not in terms of people per square mile. Not the .7 sq mi "Golden Triangle" portion at least.
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