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There's no first run movie theater, no major grocery, and no major bookstore Downtown Cincinnati. There may be talks of putting a grocery store there, but it'll be a while for that to happen. There's really not that much retail downtown with few exceptions like the 2 department stores and several mom and pops stores to go along with some mall chain retail stores, and that's pretty much it. Downtown Seattle has all of the above!
Over-the-Rhine and Downtown function together as parts of one big, dense urban zone being redeveloped. OTR is considered "a downtown neighborhood".
The mall downtown is not "struggling", it is completely deserted, because the city stopped renewing leases in order to redevelop it and the garage across the street into a new grocery store, other retail, and highrise apartments. The Macy's and Tiffany's and Saks are not part of the mall.
The freeway was thinned and buried in a trench, with plans to cap the trench. Part of the space was saved for a future light rail station (which is completely buried, on the side of the freeway.) Between the stadiums are a museum (which I guess you know about because you mention it...but do you realize it's about the Underground Railroad (i.e. helping slaves escape) and not trains?), new apartments, an entertainment district, a planned hotel, and a large new waterfront park. The plans to connect the riverfront with the rest of downtown are moving forward quickly.
You must be foo king joking to say downtown Cincinnati is not vibrant. While we don't yet have a grocery store we have Findlay Market that is packed on the weekends, and
the AMC theaters and Barnes and Noble bookstore are right across the river in Newport which is certainly part of the area's urban core.
There's no first run movie theater, no major grocery, and no major bookstore Downtown Cincinnati. There may be talks of putting a grocery store there, but it'll be a while for that to happen. There's really not that much retail downtown with few exceptions like the 2 department stores and several mom and pops stores to go along with some mall chain retail stores, and that's pretty much it. Downtown Seattle has all of the above!
talks... its been approved. For its EXPLODING POPULATION
Over the rine is not downtown. The Arnof Center is not enough. The mall downtown is struggling and somewhat deserted with the exceptions of Macy's and Soak Fifth Ave. There are some streets are still a haven for drug dealer and thugs. A few bars/restaurants on many of the streets will not mean it's lively. The freeway really cut off the rest of downtown from the 2 stadiums and deflect vitality from it. Casinos? Can you guys be serious? It's not really a cool thing to put downtown. My favorite is the Railroad museum, and that's one get my nod. I really don't think building buildings along the river is a good thing. They should just keep the river as a cool park with nice riverfront walking trail and some restaurants lining up river. With that said, Dt Seattle destroys Dt Cincy! It's no comparison! It's not even as vibrant and cool as Dt. Portland, Ore.
God are you that....we do have a park along the river called the smale park it host festivals, music concerts a bike trail and many more.
Over the rine is not downtown. The Arnof Center is not enough. The mall downtown is struggling and somewhat deserted with the exceptions of Macy's and Soak Fifth Ave. There are some streets are still a haven for drug dealer and thugs. A few bars/restaurants on many of the streets will not mean it's lively. The freeway really cut off the rest of downtown from the 2 stadiums and deflect vitality from it. Casinos? Can you guys be serious? It's not really a cool thing to put downtown. My favorite is the Railroad museum, and that's one get my nod. I really don't think building buildings along the river is a good thing. They should just keep the river as a cool park with nice riverfront walking trail and some restaurants lining up river. With that said, Dt Seattle destroys Dt Cincy! It's no comparison! It's not even as vibrant and cool as Dt. Portland, Ore.
You're showing how little you know about Cincinnati with each additional post. OTR is certainly part of Cincinnati's downtown core, and is far more a part of Cincinnati's downtown than some parts of Seattle that I'm sure you would consider "downtown."
A freeway cut off downtown from the stadiums? Clearly you're not familiar with The Banks if you think it lacks vitality. Hundreds of new residents, new restaurants opening every week, and other destinations within a long fly ball of both stadiums give Cincinnati a much more lively stadium area than the warehouses and highways around Safeco and Qwest in Seattle. And the riverfront park already delivers all of what you said a riverfront park should.
As for Tower Place Mall, it's been acquired by the city and cleared out in preparation for its complete overhaul. An attached garage is coming down to make way for a 30-story residential tower with grocery store. Until then, Findlay Market - one of America's most dynamic markets along with Pike Place - will have to do. Also, don't forget that metro Cincinnati's downtown core is made up of three cities just minutes apart, with Covington and Newport having a lot also, including major grocery stores, first-run movie theaters and the like. It's less than a 15-minute walk from The Banks to a movie theater.
And if a major 24-hour casino isn't something that you're interested in, don't go. But anything that keeps crowds rolling in at all hours is positive. What in downtown Portland draws traffic at 3:30 a.m. on a Tuesday?
As for your sentence about streets with drug dealers, it's not even worthy of a response. You have no idea what you're talking about.
You're showing how little you know about Cincinnati with each additional post. OTR is certainly part of Cincinnati's downtown core, and is far more a part of Cincinnati's downtown than some parts of Seattle that I'm sure you would consider "downtown."
A freeway cut off downtown from the stadiums? Clearly you're not familiar with The Banks if you think it lacks vitality. Hundreds of new residents, new restaurants opening every week, and other destinations within a long fly ball of both stadiums give Cincinnati a much more lively stadium area than the warehouses and highways around Safeco and Qwest in Seattle. And the riverfront park already delivers all of what you said a riverfront park should.
As for Tower Place Mall, it's been acquired by the city and cleared out in preparation for its complete overhaul. An attached garage is coming down to make way for a 30-story residential tower with grocery store. Until then, Findlay Market - one of America's most dynamic markets along with Pike Place - will have to do. Also, don't forget that metro Cincinnati's downtown core is made up of three cities just minutes apart, with Covington and Newport having a lot also, including major grocery stores, first-run movie theaters and the like. It's less than a 15-minute walk from The Banks to a movie theater.
And if a major 24-hour casino isn't something that you're interested in, don't go. But anything that keeps crowds rolling in at all hours is positive. What in downtown Portland draws traffic at 3:30 a.m. on a Tuesday?
As for your sentence about streets with drug dealers, it's not even worthy of a response. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Are you saying I can walk on 4th Ave and other streets at and not worry at all that I will be hassled by pandhandlers and thugs on the street? I shouldn't worry at all since it's so safe? I guess you didn't read my posts carefully. I like the Findlay Market, but it's not downtown! The 30 story tower with restaurants is just a plan now and not absolutely definite, yet. The vitality of the banks and traffic flow from the 2 stadiums to the rest of the downtown area is impeded by that lousy freeway overpass. They're not only talking about residents, which is good, but they're also including more office complexes, too, along the banks. That would be terrible to the riverfront. Remember, it's only in the first innings. Go to Seattle and Portland, and you'll give up on Cincy since it's so far behind those cities. They're that good and far ahead!
Newport and Worthington have robbed Dt. Cincy of its vitality. They don't count. Downtown Cincinnati core needs to be honed in and have alot of things added to it. It needs alot more density. There's not alot of housing in the core. It needs about 15,000 more housing units there to make sure it's vibrant and dynamic just like Seattle and Portland. Dt Seattle has over 17,000 housing units and alot more are still being added to it in form of 14,000 more apartment units and 1,500 condos.
You must be foo king joking to say downtown Cincinnati is not vibrant. While we don't yet have a grocery store we have Findlay Market that is packed on the weekends, and
the AMC theaters and Barnes and Noble bookstore are right across the river in Newport which is certainly part of the area's urban core.
Not a real fair comparision Cincinatti downtown has a workforce of 64,000 and Seattle has a work force of 240,000. Cincinattii has 3,000 total hotel rooms downtown Seattle has 14,000+. Cincinatti has 12,000 residents downtown Seattle has 70,000 . Downtown core has 4 supermarkets in Seattle and one more under construction . Seattle has two large mutiplex movie theaters downtown , A Sundance movie theater , A Siff Movie complex in Seattle Center and the restored Cinarama. So theres dozens of theaters downtown. Seattle has two markets Pike Place Cant realy be compared to Findlay Market 2 dozen retailers Pike place is hundreds of retailers and 9 square blocks. Melrose Market is Findlay market size and was on the Lay Over with Anthony Bourdane its an old wherehouse building. Seattle has several bookstores the two bigest An 2 story Barnes and Noble downtown . And the Elliot Bay Book Company an old wherehouse restored and large. Seattle is about five times the size of Cincinatti and has five times of everything downtown. Seattle is more of a tourist area to be fair but think about it with 4 times as many hotel rooms and 6 times more residents downtown wich city would have the most vibrant downtown. Seattle hums with people downtown 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. There are 5 24hr dinners downtown and many places open tell 4 for last call. Sega Game Works just expanded and opened an 2 location in South Lake Union as a World Sports Grille. Seattle has dozens of themed restaruants downtown. Seattle has the worlds largest Nordstrom, R.E.I and the Great Wheel downtown.
Can everyone in this thread please take a moment to learn how to spell Seatle and Cincinnati?
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