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move new orleans and cincinnati to tier 3 and tampa, san diego and portland to tier 4. the former two are much older and culturally more important. none of the latter three meant anything 40 years ago. neither did atlanta or phoenix, but portland ain't atlanta and san diego ain't phoenix.
Since I Didnt want to start a new thread. and this Thread was started before the economic downturn, about 2 years ago, alot has changed in some peoples views of American Cities.
Heres My Tiers
Tier 1a (International Recognition)
New York City
Los Angeles
Washington DC
Tier 1b (Some International Recognition- Super National Cities)
San Francisco
Chicago
Boston
Miami
Atlanta
Tier 2 (Super National Cities - Regional Importance)
Houston
Detroit
Seattle
Philadelphia
Dallas
San Diego
Las Vegas
Tier 3 (Regional Importance-Other Factors that hold back from being Tier 2)
Charlotte
Baltimore
Denver
Phoenix
Indianapolis
New Orleans
Portland, Oregon
Raleigh
San Jose
Austin-San Antonio
There may be more IDK but this is what I think are the ranks of 2009.
The only reason San Antonio has that high of a population (within city limits) is because of irrelevant political boundaries. If you look at the metro statistics for population and economic power of San Antonio, you will realize it is in the correct tier. Please stop having such a Texas-centric viewpoint.
It's comprable to Portlands and Clevelands metro, so with nearly 2.1 million people, it should be ranked in that tier group. OMG forgot about this thread, lots of fun!
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Since I Didnt want to start a new thread. and this Thread was started before the economic downturn, about 2 years ago, alot has changed in some peoples views of American Cities.
Heres My Tiers
Tier 1a (International Recognition)
New York City
Los Angeles
Washington DC
Tier 1b (Some International Recognition- Super National Cities)
San Francisco
Chicago
Boston
Miami
Atlanta
Tier 2 (Super National Cities - Regional Importance)
Houston
Detroit
Seattle
Philadelphia
Dallas
San Diego
Las Vegas
Tier 3 (Regional Importance-Other Factors that hold back from being Tier 2)
Charlotte
Baltimore
Denver
Phoenix
Indianapolis
New Orleans
Portland, Oregon
Raleigh
San Jose
Austin-San Antonio
There may be more IDK but this is what I think are the ranks of 2009.
Actually Dallas and Houston very much have international recognition. If your basing this off recognition than Las Vegas should be Tier 1 along with San Francisco and Chicago.
Actually Dallas and Houston very much have international recognition. If your basing this off recognition than Las Vegas should be Tier 1 along with San Francisco and Chicago.
I chose the list on more than just recognition. Population, politics, history, and so much more
I know Dallas, Houston, and Las Vegas have alot of Internation Recognition but alot more people have no clue where these cities are located in the USA. Dallas and Houston can easily be Tier 1b cities to me because they have very strong economies, I think stronger than all of the other cities in that catagory.
But Houston is only one or maybe two trick pony. Of the 29 Fortune 500 companies in Houston only two have nothing to do with Oil, Continental Airlines and Waste Management.
Dallas with its Diversified economy has more national recognition than international because of the show.
Las Vegas is just a Two trick pony with Gambling and Prostitution
Since I Didnt want to start a new thread. and this Thread was started before the economic downturn, about 2 years ago, alot has changed in some peoples views of American Cities.
Heres My Tiers
Tier 1a (International Recognition)
New York City
Los Angeles
Washington DC
Tier 1b (Some International Recognition- Super National Cities)
San Francisco
Chicago
Boston
Miami
Atlanta
Tier 2 (Super National Cities - Regional Importance)
Houston
Detroit
Seattle
Philadelphia
Dallas
San Diego
Las Vegas
Tier 3 (Regional Importance-Other Factors that hold back from being Tier 2)
Charlotte
Baltimore
Denver
Phoenix
Indianapolis
New Orleans
Portland, Oregon
Raleigh
San Jose Austin-San Antonio
There may be more IDK but this is what I think are the ranks of 2009.
Austin and San Antonio are two different metros. Some day they will be considered in one CSA, but they will never be in the same metro.
I would definitely agree that there are a few IDK's. A lot of changes have happened in the past few years much less the past ten. It's kind of hard to determine a cities importance during a recession and there are huge population and economic shifts going on throughout the country.
Well here would be my guess:
Tire One:
New York
Washington
Chicago
Los Angeles
Tier Two:
San Francisco-Oakland (if you include San Jose and the Silicon Valley, then it would be moved up to tier one)
Houston
Boston
Dallas-Fort Worth
Tier Three:
Miami
Atlanta
Philadelphia
San Jose
Seattle
Tier Four: Denver
San Diego
Phoenix
Minneapolis-St. Paul
Detroit
Tier Five:
Austin
Cleveland
Cincinnati
Columbus, OH
Portland, OR
Baltimore
St. Louis
Tampa Bay
Las Vegas
San Antonio
Tier Six:
Charlotte
Nashville
Indianapolis
Louisville
Jacksonville
Salt Lake City
New Orleans
But Houston is only one or maybe two trick pony. Of the 29 Fortune 500 companies in Houston only two have nothing to do with Oil, Continental Airlines and Waste Management.
Dallas with its Diversified economy has more national recognition than international because of the show.
Las Vegas is just a Two trick pony with Gambling and Prostitution
I really do not care that you put Houston or Dallas in the 2nd tier (which I disagree with). But I must comment on your comment about the so called one trick poney thing.
1. That one trick pony is POWERFUL. Much more POWERFUL than what most cities that you put in your 2nd tier have. That needs to be taken in consideration.
2. Houston has more than oil as well. It is one of the top medical cities in the nation. Top port cities in the nation and a fast growing technology sector as well. Also, what do you mean because of the show? Did you forget that it is a huge financial center, fashion center, trade center, transportation center, technology center?
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But Houston is only one or maybe two trick pony. Of the 29 Fortune 500 companies in Houston only two have nothing to do with Oil, Continental Airlines and Waste Management.
That's only looking at Fortune 500 companies. It doesn't take into consideration all of the companies in other industries that that not Fortune 500, Compaq (now HQ obviously) and all of the places supporting it, NASA and all of the places supporting it, etc. In addition to the glaring fact that Houston's largest employer is actually the Texas Medical Center (a hospital/research/academic business district that is larger than most cities' downtowns). Not trying to downplay the huge energy industry presence, just saying I don't think it's a one-trick pony at all considering everything I've pointed out.
But Houston is only one or maybe two trick pony. Of the 29 Fortune 500 companies in Houston only two have nothing to do with Oil, Continental Airlines and Waste Management.
That's not really true. If you where to have said energy (which involves way more than just oil), than I could see your argument. Relient Energy, El Paso Energy, CenterPoint Energy (just to name a few) as well as several major natural gas and petroleum companies also make up Houston's energy business. Then there are also a few miscellaneous companies such as Sysco and KBR. But either way, if Houston has 27 fortune 500 companies, only second to New York, more than Dallas and Chicago combined (just the cities not the metros), and most of those companies are energy related, I think that would say something the importance and economic power of the energy industry wouldn't you?
Although, I would still put it in a tier two bellow Chicago, New York, LA, and Washington, but I'm not sure any of use have the means or knowledge to determine where Houston and its importance of energy (which the Houston drilling, piping, and the oil and gas equipment companies alone have a have a huge impact on the international oil and gas industry), health care, and NASA (which some of the biggest technological advances in the 20th century have come in large part trough technology of space exploration). From what I've read, even some of the greatest experts in geography and global commerce have trouble on where to place Houston on a global scale. So in other words, Houston is probably the the biggest question mark (as far as American cities) as to where it belongs on a national and global scale.
Since I Didnt want to start a new thread. and this Thread was started before the economic downturn, about 2 years ago, alot has changed in some peoples views of American Cities.
Heres My Tiers
Tier 1a (International Recognition)
New York City
Los Angeles
Washington DC
Tier 1b (Some International Recognition- Super National Cities)
San Francisco
Chicago
Boston
Miami
Atlanta
Tier 2 (Super National Cities - Regional Importance)
Houston
Detroit
Seattle
Philadelphia
Dallas
San Diego
Las Vegas
Tier 3 (Regional Importance-Other Factors that hold back from being Tier 2)
Charlotte
Baltimore
Denver
Phoenix
Indianapolis
New Orleans
Portland, Oregon
Raleigh
San Jose
Austin-San Antonio
There may be more IDK but this is what I think are the ranks of 2009.
LOL!! Houston ranks above Atlanta by far. Also, where is Minneapolis - St. Paul? The area's GDP is far greater than most of the cities you listed (it will surpass Detroit within a couple years). It also has far more Fortune 500 companies than the majority of those cities. There are obviously numerous other factors that place the Twin Cities well above most. Nice try though.
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