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Old 06-08-2017, 06:48 PM
 
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It's fascinating to me how much the murder rate is overplayed.

Gang members probably make up 50% of these lists.

Too many people act as if it's random innocent people. Those numbers I would guess are a fraction of the actual rates.

Nobody talks about non-violent crime though, which is much closer across all cities.
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Old 06-08-2017, 06:49 PM
 
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Baltimore and New Orleans welcome to the Danger Zone.
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:48 PM
 
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Too many people act as if it's random innocent people.
Wrong. NOBODY talks about as if most murders are "random innocent people". Literally NOBODY has made that argument.

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Those numbers I would guess are a fraction of the actual rates.
Yes. And? Nobody has said otherwise.

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Nobody talks about non-violent crime though, which is much closer across all cities.
Because this is the murder thread.
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Old 06-09-2017, 06:23 AM
 
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and Chicago south and west side
Chicago South and West side are not cities but neighborhoods... Many people try to split Chicago to lower the murder rate...
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Old 06-09-2017, 06:25 AM
 
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Out of the most dangerous in the world? Lol the cities in Mexico and Brazil and central America say Hi.
It is not because there are other dangerous cities than those one are not among them.... Bmore and Detroit are indeed among the world's deadliest cities
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Old 06-09-2017, 06:39 AM
 
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It is not because there are other dangerous cities than those one are not among them.... Bmore and Detroit are indeed among the world's deadliest cities
Detroit isnt in the top 3 this year
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Old 06-09-2017, 06:48 AM
 
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Wrong. NOBODY talks about as if most murders are "random innocent people". Literally NOBODY has made that argument.



Yes. And? Nobody has said otherwise.



Because this is the murder thread.


In general, dip****.
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Old 06-09-2017, 10:35 AM
 
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Chicago South and West side are not cities but neighborhoods... Many people try to split Chicago to lower the murder rate...
Both notions are true. Chicago (and the nation as a whole) has a huge problem with violence/murder in its depressed neighborhoods. Chicago (and many large US cities) also has a big problem with segregation both in terms of race and class. Also, Chicago (along a number of massive world class cities like London, Paris, NY) has a large affluent inner core that is for better and worse geographically isolated from its depressed/crime ridden areas.

My point is not to dismiss the huge problem of crime in poor neighborhoods. But to also acknowledge that visitors, workers and greater downtown residents are as isolated from this crime as residents of other large cities that are considered low in crime like SF, LA and NY. It is not fair to say the 90+ murders in Newark or 70+ murders in Camden and Chester or 88 murders in Oakland are not part of NY, Philly or SF... when the dangerous areas of Chicago are as many miles away from the downtown as those other cities are from their larger core city. It's a matter of arbitrary city limits as opposed to actual regional difference.

The problem is societal and reflected in every part of the country- and is a proxy of growing income inequality where the poor are living in worse conditions while the wealthy have ever expanding enclaves in cities. It just does not get completely accurately reflected when you look at arbitrary city limits that make Queens part of NY but not Newark or when Philly includes suburban areas like Elkins Park but does not include Camden or Chester. Probably the best measure would be crime rate per CSA... but that would end up mostly being a proxy for which CSA's have the most poor people, and not reflect the general safety of the region.
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Old 06-09-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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Detroit isnt in the top 3 this year
I did not say top 3, i said among the most violent
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Old 06-09-2017, 12:34 PM
 
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My point is not to dismiss the huge problem of crime in poor neighborhoods. But to also acknowledge that visitors, workers and greater downtown residents are as isolated from this crime as residents of other large cities that are considered low in crime like SF, LA and NY. It is not fair to say the 90+ murders in Newark or 70+ murders in Camden and Chester or 88 murders in Oakland are not part of NY, Philly or SF... when the dangerous areas of Chicago are as many miles away from the downtown as those other cities are from their larger core city. It's a matter of arbitrary city limits as opposed to actual regional difference.
When you ship something to let say Austin neighborhood in Chicago, the address is Chicago so it is part of chicago... When you ship to Newark, you are not shipping to new york but to Newark... big difference. Most people do not care which part of the city you live, they will look at the city. I have seen many people trying to downplay chicago violence problem by saying "it is not everywhere, only places you should not go" but the truth is that they are part of the city... It is like saying "we do not need to look at this problem since it does not affect our inner circle..."

And to bring chester, oakland, newark into the map show how bad Chicago is really is... See in 2016, Chicago (2.7 millions) had more homicides than Los Angeles County (9 millions) which have places like Compton, Crenshaw, south L.A (formelly south central)... Also more murders than the bay area (7.5 millions) with oakland in it... Also more homicides than NYC and its region (newark + Jersey city and so on) so more than 10 - 15 millions...)
Heck You can even put L.A, NYC and SF and still have less homicides than chicago despite having 13.5 millions people...
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