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The title of the thread has the words "subway system", hence Denver does not belong in this conversation. A case can be made that Seattle does.
One thing I will give light rail is its flexibility. In St. Louis for example, there are underground stations downtown that look like a subway and over in Illinois there are stations that resemble park and ride commuter rail. It's the same train the whole way though. That being said, I do prefer systems that don't put the trains in the middle of traffic like how Denver did theirs.
As for solely focusing on trains needing to be below ground, if people want to get overly reliant on that caveat than Chicago shouldn't be in the conversation. Only two lines have below ground sections, and those sections only make up a small portion of each line. Everything else is elevated.
You shouldn't be waiting more than 13 minutes for a train from the Mission to Downtown Berkeley until after 10pm, like I said they come every 7-13 min until then. Yeah there are ton of trains going through during rush hour until about 7. Frequency does induce usage yes just not sure increasing it between 7-10p would do much considering they are coming fairly often already (<15 min).
Good post--I didn't realize they had extended weeknight service on the Richmond / Daly City-Milbrae until 9 pm since September 2015. That's pretty awesome they did that.
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I beg the differ. If Cleveland and Baltimore are on the list, Denver should be too as well as Miami and Dallas IMHO.
Cleveland and Baltimore have heavy rail RT. This is a thread specifically about ranking and comparing heavy rail RT which is why those cities and Seattle aren't on the list.
Cleveland and Baltimore have heavy rail RT. This is a thread specifically about ranking and comparing heavy rail RT which is why those cities and Seattle aren't on the list.
Cleveland and Baltimore have heavy rail RT. This is a thread specifically about ranking and comparing heavy rail RT which is why those cities and Seattle aren't on the list.
If the main focus was heavy rail that should have been in the title, not "subway". Subways do not have to be heavy rail. Heavy rail is the type of technology, and is one of several types of rail transit technologies. "Subway" refers to the fact that it's rail that is underground and separated from traffic, but does not inherently imply what technology it is.
If the main focus was heavy rail that should have been in the title, not "subway". Subways do not have to be heavy rail. Heavy rail is the type of technology, and is one of several types of rail transit technologies. "Subway" refers to the fact that it's rail that is underground and separated from traffic, but does not inherently imply what technology it is.
I think it's easy to understand what OP meant after reading the list. At least that's my opinion. Other people did not seem to get it though, so maybe not. I agree OP probably should've clarified in the first post, but later he did confirm he meant heavy rail RT.
I know "subway" technically just means underground, but sometimes it's used to refer to heavy rail RT in general. NYC uses this terminology. In NYC even the elevated lines are stilled referred to as "the subway", and the whole system (underground + above ground) is the NYC subway system. I do the same thing as OP where I use "subway system" to refer to heavy rail RT and this is probably why. I wouldn't be surprised if OP picked that up from living or spending time in NYC.
Chicago does the opposite. They call their system the L, which comes from "el" (short for elevated). Chicago still has a few underground portions, but it's still the L.
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