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No way is MSU in that Cal, UCLA, UVA, U-M. My suggestion was MSU functions like a flagship. I realize MSU is usually ranked towards the bottom of the conference, usually with UNL alone being lower ranked.
Actually edsg, depends on what rating your looking at. In USN&WR, which is not considered by all to be the Gold Standard which is weighted heavily towards admission standards -- and some schools have admitted manipulating their numbers to get a higher US News rating; I believe Wash.U St. Louis and Northeastern were among those I've heard about. MSU has ranked considerably higher in the Washington Monthly and Time/Money Mag rankings (top 30) nationally over several B1G schools; this is true, also, in world rankings such as (ironically) US News Global and Times Higher Education magazine out of London where, in both cases, MSU ranks among the top 100 universities in the world -- ahead of such schools as Maryland, Texas A&M and even UVa ... and other schools that rank ahead of MSU in USN&WR's national ranking, such as Clemson, Delaware, UMass and U.Conn are nowhere close to MSU. Recently the Washington Post did compilation ranking, combining all the rankings available, and MSU was 45th or 46th if I recall.
And in terms of resources like endowment and library, MSU ranks pretty close to the middle of the B1G... That's pretty impressive considering the B1G is the top conference of State Us, academically.
Actually edsg, depends on what rating your looking at. In USN&WR, which is not considered by all to be the Gold Standard which is weighted heavily towards admission standards -- and some schools have admitted manipulating their numbers to get a higher US News rating; I believe Wash.U St. Louis and Northeastern were among those I've heard about. MSU has ranked considerably higher in the Washington Monthly and Time/Money Mag rankings (top 30) nationally over several B1G schools; this is true, also, in world rankings such as (ironically) US News Global and Times Higher Education magazine out of London where, in both cases, MSU ranks among the top 100 universities in the world -- ahead of such schools as Maryland, Texas A&M and even UVa ... and other schools that rank ahead of MSU in USN&WR's national ranking, such as Clemson, Delaware, UMass and U.Conn are nowhere close to MSU. Recently the Washington Post did compilation ranking, combining all the rankings available, and MSU was 45th or 46th if I recall.
And in terms of resources like endowment and library, MSU ranks pretty close to the middle of the B1G... That's pretty impressive considering the B1G is the top conference of State Us, academically.
How many schools are now in the erstwhile Big Ten?
I'm thinking it and the Big 12 should swap names now.
The name would still be numerically inaccurate since there are 14 schools in the Big Ten.
Yep. And the B1G was the only conference in which all the schools were members of the prestigious Association of American University's which recognizes the top research Us in North America. I say 'was' because Nebraska was booted just prior to their B1G admission -- which apparently caused some grumbling among some B1G schools.
Colorado confusingly has both CU and CSU, both public state schools. Which is weird anyway because it's University of Colorado but it's not UC - except that in Denver, people do use UCD for University of Colorado, Denver. Or University Hospital or "The University" when referencing the medical school.
I guess CU owns "Colorado" and CSU gets "State" but at least in my observation, people tend to use the abbreviations rather than either of those terms.
The explanation for "CU" for the University of Colorado has to do with it's conference affiliation with what was then the Big Seven. When the Big Six added Colorado in the late 1940s and became the Big Seven the conference did some sort of branding exercise where all the flagship universities went by the same acronym. Thus Colorado became "CU". Oklahoma became "OU", Nebraska became "NU", Missouri became "MU" and Kansas became "KU".
As an aside, living in PAC country I always heard Oregon referred to as UofO or UO and that was mostly by Oregon locals. OU was Oklahoma and Ohio U.
And finally, I think MSU pretty much is Michigan State outside of Bozeman, MT and maybe the SEC footprint. the irony about Mississippi State is that I don't think of them when somebody says MSU but if somebody just said "State" I would think of them. It's the only school that does that that I know of. For instance here in Oklahoma if somebody is referring to Oklahoma State they either say OSU or 0-State. In Kansas it's KSU or K-State. But I've never heard anybody say M-State. Just "State".
And in terms of resources like endowment and library, MSU ranks pretty close to the middle of the B1G... That's pretty impressive considering the B1G is the top conference of State Us, academically.
What evidence do you have that employers think B1G conference is the best academically.
It's not a college, AND it's not in Vermont. It's in Hanover, New Hampshire
People associated with the university call it Penn - when someone says UPenn, it's generally a give away that they did not go there.
This relates to Penn as well, and the confusion with Penn State. There is a joke that Penn should change it's name to Franklin University (after the founder, Benjamin Franklin) so that when people say Oh, Penn State? You can answer, No, F U
the SUNY schools used to be called SUNY Albany, SUNY Binghamton, etc. in normal conversation but they've officially changed the names so now it's Binghamton University, Stony Brook University, etc.
Colorado confusingly has both CU and CSU, both public state schools. Which is weird anyway because it's University of Colorado but it's not UC - except that in Denver, people do use UCD for University of Colorado, Denver. Or University Hospital or "The University" when referencing the medical school.
I guess CU owns "Colorado" and CSU gets "State" but at least in my observation, people tend to use the abbreviations rather than either of those terms.
you're right.....I know it is in Hanover, NH. But it is officially a college as is Boston College....though both are in fact universities.
It's not a college, AND it's not in Vermont. It's in Hanover, New Hampshire
People associated with the university call it Penn - when someone says UPenn, it's generally a give away that they did not go there.
This relates to Penn as well, and the confusion with Penn State. There is a joke that Penn should change it's name to Franklin University (after the founder, Benjamin Franklin) so that when people say Oh, Penn State? You can answer, No, F U
the SUNY schools used to be called SUNY Albany, SUNY Binghamton, etc. in normal conversation but they've officially changed the names so now it's Binghamton University, Stony Brook University, etc.
Colorado confusingly has both CU and CSU, both public state schools. Which is weird anyway because it's University of Colorado but it's not UC - except that in Denver, people do use UCD for University of Colorado, Denver. Or University Hospital or "The University" when referencing the medical school.
I guess CU owns "Colorado" and CSU gets "State" but at least in my observation, people tend to use the abbreviations rather than either of those terms.
then again, that school in Lincoln gets to have its N and U both ways: NU, UNL
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