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Old 02-13-2020, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Montreal > Quebec > Canada
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Most of what you said about family structure is similar to how the vast majority of Black children are born out of wedlock, andi ts a matriarchal system with more emphasis on extended families.
I don't think that the same factors are at play.

In Quebec, unmarried couples are just as stable as married ones; it's just that people don't see the need, nor feel the social/religious pressure, to get married. What "officializes" a couple is having kids together, buying a condo or a house, living together for the long term.
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Old 02-13-2020, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I don't think that the same factors are at play.

In Quebec, unmarried couples are just as stable as married ones; it's just that people don't see the need, nor feel the social/religious pressure, to get married. What "officializes" a couple is having kids together, buying a condo or a house, living together for the long term.
True. It's not entirely the same factors (namely economic), but that id argue that's at least a part of the Black American sentiment as well.

either way, regardless of factors both groups have significantly different coupling habits than the dominant group.

It has been noted (and has been my experience) Black Americans are also particularly more reliant on extended families or friends (or even community centers) for child care and adopt the "it takes a village mentality" more so than White Americans.
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Old 02-13-2020, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Its not a myth but the income/wealth gap between white and african american has absolutely grown over the past 30 years. That objective. African Americans in poverty have sunken deeper into poverty and homelessness

Wealth gap: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...-emancipation/

https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/n...ap-study-finds

Black Homeownership: https://www.wsj.com/articles/black-h...ow-11563183015

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/the...-homeownership

"If the black homeownership rate were the same today as it was in 2000, America would have 770,000 additional black homeowners"

"The current 30-percentage-point gap between black and white homeownership is larger than it was in 1968, when housing discrimination was legal"

https://www.blackenterprise.com/afri...lth-zero-2053/

"black wealth may fall to $0 by 2053"

Schools becoming more segregated: https://www.vox.com/2018/3/5/1708021...ing-worse-data

Houston is very much an exception. Some sunbelt cities are doing well but black sin the rest of the country and parts of the deepest south are not doing well-thats why were moving there.

It's not just the delta or Baltimore. Its most midwestern states, and northeastern states

When on city data keep in mind you're generally talking to a highly educated, highly mobile and highly informed cross section of any given population. We talk a lot about cities in the sunbelt that are great for African Americans and we talk to highly intelligent individuals. Note that Nigerian Nightmare is in the less than 1%of his engineering class that black-and he's Nigerian born-that should tell you a good deal about black progress in and of itself.
Thanks for this. Various circumstances have certainly put French Canadians in a much better position that we were historically: high geographic concentration in the second-biggest province in Canada, allowing for demograpghic and political control over a provincial government and Canada's second-largest metro.


And of course the absence of prejudice and racism based on skin colour.
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Old 02-13-2020, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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all that very interesting and insightful. Thank you.

Most of what you said about family structure is similar to how the vast majority of Black children are born out of wedlock, andi ts a matriarchal system with more emphasis on extended families.

All in all-to me- French Canadians seem equivalent to African Americans in difference based off what you've said here.

Recreational interest and socio economic standing seem to be more inline with the dominant group than African Americans and the of course there's the elephant in the room-skin color which plays a big par tin how individual are treated before they even speak and reveal their language of origin.

Language is a bigger barrier there but certainly can be a barrier to success/perception for many african americans here. Government is also more seperate up there, but asi said previously there are black dominated jurisdictions with black leaders as well who can pass laws on their own.
I know there are some cultural things that are virtually "black only" in the U.S., but the common language still allows some cross-over with the curious among the non-African-American population.


And somehow I doubt that you'd refer to every single of the scores of African-American artists and entertainers who've achieved mainstream success across all U.S. demographics as "sell-outs". It seems to me there is no shortage of people who are household names in Boise, Idaho, but who remain totally African-American in their style, approach and cultural output.


In Canada, the average Anglo-Canadian couldn't name 5 French Canadian celebrities. They know Céline Dion because she sings (partly) in English and she became a global star. People who can fill large arenas for shows in Quebec are total nobodies to Anglo-Canadians. There are Quebec movies in French that beat Hollywood blockbusters like Star Wars at the box office here that are NEVER even shown on a single screen outside Quebec.


It's not an exaggeration to say that Quebec culture, which constitutes a strong mainstream in this province, is a totally foreign culture to 75% of Canada's population.
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Old 02-13-2020, 11:14 AM
 
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Its not a myth but the income/wealth gap between white and african american has absolutely grown over the past 30 years. That objective. African Americans in poverty have sunken deeper into poverty and homelessness

Wealth gap: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...-emancipation/

https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/n...ap-study-finds

Black Homeownership: https://www.wsj.com/articles/black-h...ow-11563183015

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/the...-homeownership

"If the black homeownership rate were the same today as it was in 2000, America would have 770,000 additional black homeowners"

"The current 30-percentage-point gap between black and white homeownership is larger than it was in 1968, when housing discrimination was legal"

https://www.blackenterprise.com/afri...lth-zero-2053/

"black wealth may fall to $0 by 2053"

Schools becoming more segregated: https://www.vox.com/2018/3/5/1708021...ing-worse-data

Houston is very much an exception. Some sunbelt cities are doing well but black sin the rest of the country and parts of the deepest south are not doing well-thats why were moving there.

It's not just the delta or Baltimore. Its most midwestern states, and northeastern states

When on city data keep in mind you're generally talking to a highly educated, highly mobile and highly informed cross section of any given population. We talk a lot about cities in the sunbelt that are great for African Americans and we talk to highly intelligent individuals. Note that Nigerian Nightmare is in the less than 1%of his engineering class that black-and he's Nigerian born-that should tell you a good deal about black progress in and of itself.
Even in those cities/areas, there are still issues with concentrated poverty and disparities. Concentrated poverty increased in 2/3rds of the top 100 metros in the US I believe in the first decade of the 2000's. So, a lot of issues are really just a matter of degree versus place X is doing so much better than place Y.
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Old 02-13-2020, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Indianapolis has 24 homicides now - making it nearly even with Philadelphia in per 100K homicide rate now. DC has 19 homicides, which makes its per 100K rate slightly below both of those cities.
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Old 02-13-2020, 11:57 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Indianapolis has 24 homicides now - making it nearly even with Philadelphia in per 100K homicide rate now. DC has 19 homicides, which makes its per 100K rate slightly below both of those cities.
Are homicides generally isolated there similar to Philadelphia and DC or more widespread?
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Old 02-13-2020, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Are homicides generally isolated there similar to Philadelphia and DC or more widespread?
I think similar to DC. I'm not an expert for Indianapolis or anything, but when I did the 2019 stats by census tract - percentage of population living in census tracts without a homicide for 2019, DC and Indianapolis were pretty similar although both a fair percentage less than Chicago.

Percentage of People Living in Census Tracts With 0 Homicides for 2019
Los Angeles: 79.7%
Louisville: 64.1%
Chicago: 64%
Jacksonville: 59.4%
Indianapolis: 58.1%
Washington DC: 56.6%
Richmond, VA: 47.2%
Detroit: 46.6%
Memphis: 46.4%
St. Louis: 45.5%
Baltimore: 36.4%
Baton Rouge, LA: 15.8%
Jackson, MS: 13.3%
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Old 02-13-2020, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I think similar to DC. I'm not an expert for Indianapolis or anything, but when I did the 2019 stats by census tract - percentage of population living in census tracts without a homicide for 2019, DC and Indianapolis were pretty similar although both a fair percentage less than Chicago.

Percentage of People Living in Census Tracts With 0 Homicides for 2019
Los Angeles: 79.7%
Louisville: 64.1%
Chicago: 64%
Jacksonville: 59.4%
Indianapolis: 58.1%
Washington DC: 56.6%
Richmond, VA: 47.2%
Detroit: 46.6%
Memphis: 46.4%
St. Louis: 45.5%
Baltimore: 36.4%
Baton Rouge, LA: 15.8%
Jackson, MS: 13.3%
whered you pull this data?
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Old 02-13-2020, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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whered you pull this data?
I had to process it all myself which was a month or two ago. Each of these cities have data on where every homicide occurred. Many cities I can't do because they don't have that data available (yet or ever). And then the US Census has a reverse geocode service which can tell you what census tract (amongst other things) an address or lat/long coordinate is in. Was not an easy process but interesting nonetheless.
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