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Seattle doesn't seem too bad--at least from my limited tourist's perspective.
San Francisco for sure has its run-down areas, as does Los Angeles. I'd have to say it seems like even LA is better kept than the Bay Area. Maybe you could argue San Bernardino and South LA are as bad as Oakland, but even then it's a stretch.
The difference is, Greater LA simply has more new, clean areas like Irvine than the Bay. Even the wealthy East Bay suburbs of Orinda are old and lackluster. Well, that shouldn't be a surprise--after paying down a mortgage for your $2 million dollar 50 year old townhome you're broke! No money leftover for home improvement or a new BMW!
Seattle doesn't seem too bad--at least from my limited tourist's perspective.
San Francisco for sure has its run-down areas, as does Los Angeles. I'd have to say it seems like even LA is better kept than the Bay Area. Maybe you could argue San Bernardino and South LA are as bad as Oakland, but even then it's a stretch.
The difference is, Greater LA simply has more new, clean areas like Irvine than the Bay. Even the wealthy East Bay suburbs of Orinda are old and lackluster. Well, that shouldn't be a surprise--after paying down a mortgage for your $2 million dollar 50 year old townhome you're broke! No money leftover for home improvement or a new BMW!
No way does the Bay Area beat LA in this regard. The Bay Area is huge and most of it is very far from gritty. It has areas like SF and the inner East Bay (including Oakland, Hayward, etc) which have a ton of grit. Areas like Vallejo and Richmond which are straight up ghettos obviously have some grit as well, but I'd classify them more as just dangerous ghettos. But the Peninsula, Marin County, the South Bay, most of Contra Costa, Wine Country - not gritty at all.
That's why LA has it beat by a good amount. Downtown LA, Koreatown, Hollywood, East LA, Compton, Inglewood, parts of Long Beach, parts of San Bernadino County, etc. Even some of the nice parts on the Westside like Venice have more grit than you'd expect. Sure, you've got Beverly Hills, Pacific Palisades, Malibu and many other famous upscale enclaves, but overall LA County and San Bernadino County as whole have by far the grittiest built environment and vibe in the Western US.
The entire San Francisco is gentrified, most of the Bay Area is , even the ghettos in Oakland pale in comparison to LA, East LA, SFV and south central LA are way grittier. Downtown LA also has grit to it , it used to be very dangerous in the 90s. There’s a reason gangsta rap is from LA and not the Bay Area
The entire San Francisco is gentrified, most of the Bay Area is , even the ghettos in Oakland pale in comparison to LA, East LA, SFV and south central LA are way grittier. Downtown LA also has grit to it , it used to be very dangerous in the 90s. There’s a reason gangsta rap is from LA and not the Bay Area
I agree that LA > Bay Area on this, but there are parts of SF that are still kinda dicey.
The entire San Francisco is gentrified, most of the Bay Area is , even the ghettos in Oakland pale in comparison to LA, East LA, SFV and south central LA are way grittier. Downtown LA also has grit to it , it used to be very dangerous in the 90s. There’s a reason gangsta rap is from LA and not the Bay Area
Slow down. San Francisco has certainly gentrified the last decade but it’s far from being void of gritty areas. You truly don’t believe your own words when you say the ghettos of Oakland pale in comparison to the similar areas of LA.
SF has Sixth Street, Tenderloin, Hunters Point etc, there's West Oakland and North Richmond...otherwise the Bay Area is pretty well kept. LA's grit is mainly because it's so spread out...a lot of industrial areas and certain neglected areas where people don't go and haven't been gentrified yet.
SF has Sixth Street, Tenderloin, Hunters Point etc, there's West Oakland and North Richmond...otherwise the Bay Area is pretty well kept. LA's grit is mainly because it's so spread out...a lot of industrial areas and certain neglected areas where people don't go and haven't been gentrified yet.
There's a difference between dirty, unsanitary, dangerous, drug-filled, homeless encampment neighborhoods and gritty. Sixth St and parts of the TL are just downright dirty and plagued with drug and homeless issues. That's not gritty. For that same reason, I'm not saying Skid Row is gritty. It's similarly a neighborhood plagued with drug problems and homelessness issues.
Slow down. San Francisco has certainly gentrified the last decade but it’s far from being void of gritty areas. You truly don’t believe your own words when you say the ghettos of Oakland pale in comparison to the similar areas of LA.
There's a difference between dirty, unsanitary, dangerous, drug-filled, homeless encampment neighborhoods and gritty. Sixth St and parts of the TL are just downright dirty and plagued with drug and homeless issues. That's not gritty. For that same reason, I'm not saying Skid Row is gritty. It's similarly a neighborhood plagued with drug problems and homelessness issues.
YES! Someone needed to say this. I always here’s this argument for SF and SEA and in my head I’m just like “that’s just nasty and bummy..not gritty” but I never thought anyone agreed with me so I didn’t say it.
The difference is, Greater LA simply has more new, clean areas like Irvine than the Bay. Even the wealthy East Bay suburbs of Orinda are old and lackluster. Well, that shouldn't be a surprise--after paying down a mortgage for your $2 million dollar 50 year old townhome you're broke! No money leftover for home improvement or a new BMW!
Haha you never get anything right regarding the Bay Area. Stick to what you know.
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