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Old 05-13-2020, 07:41 PM
 
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As the title implies, how do you think the Midwest Metro Areas will rank in the year 2030? Note this is not purely on population, but more on influence and stature.

Here is my list:
1. Chicago
(gap)
2. Detroit (I think it still retains the number two spot by the slimmest of margins)
3. Minneapolis/St. Paul (very much gaining on Detroit, but still not quite past it)
(gap)
4. Indianapolis (beneficiary of having an entire state back it’s growth)
5. St. Louis (much like Detroit fighting of MSP, St. Louis is battling it’s in-state neighbor.
6. Kansas City (not quite past St. Louis, but gaining quick)
7. Cincinnati (overtakes Cleveland as the top dog in Ohio, but CBus is right there)
8. Columbus (growing fast, but still has to split Ohio resources with the other C’s.)
9. Cleveland (could have placed CLE anywhere 5-9)
10. Milwaukee (still going strong, but not enough to jump higher)

Honestly, I think you can very easily justify either one of MSP or Detroit for #2/#3. After that, I also think the difference between #4 and #10 is also razor thin. I am curious to hear how others would rank them.

Again, it is how you think they will rank in 2030... not today.
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Old 05-13-2020, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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Swap Detroit and Minneapolis, Kansas City and Indianapolis... that would be my list for 2030.
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Old 05-13-2020, 07:51 PM
 
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As the title implies, how do you think the Midwest Metro Areas will rank in the year 2030? Note this is not purely on population, but more on influence and stature.

Here is my list:
1. Chicago
(gap)
2. Detroit (I think it still retains the number two spot by the slimmest of margins)
3. Minneapolis/St. Paul (very much gaining on Detroit, but still not quite past it)
(gap)
4. Indianapolis (beneficiary of having an entire state back it’s growth)
5. St. Louis (much like Detroit fighting of MSP, St. Louis is battling it’s in-state neighbor.
6. Kansas City (not quite past St. Louis, but gaining quick)
7. Cincinnati (overtakes Cleveland as the top dog in Ohio, but CBus is right there)
8. Columbus (growing fast, but still has to split Ohio resources with the other C’s.)
9. Cleveland (could have placed CLE anywhere 5-9)
10. Milwaukee (still going strong, but not enough to jump higher)

Honestly, I think you can very easily justify either one of MSP or Detroit for #2/#3. After that, I also think the difference between #4 and #10 is also razor thin. I am curious to hear how others would rank them.

Again, it is how you think they will rank in 2030... not today.
I mostly agree with your list.

I do think the margin will be a bit wider for St. Louis vs. Kansas City though. STL still has several hundred thousand more people and more Fortune 500 companies than KC. Plus, I think AMC's struggles and the T-Mobile / Sprinter merger are going to be a gut punch to KC's economy.
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Old 05-13-2020, 08:05 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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There's going to be little or no economic growth between now and 2030. I'd say the more suburban cities will do better and the more urban ones will becomes less desirable.
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Old 05-13-2020, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Green Country
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Indianapolis is not going to pass Saint Louis. There's a huge gap there. Columbus will also be #1 in Ohio in MSA.

And Milwaukee is stagnant. What does "still going strong" mean?

My guesses (MSA):
(1) Chicago: 9,300,000 (-200,000)
(2) Detroit: 4,200,000 (-100,000)
(3) Minneapolis: 3,900,000 (+300,000)
(4) Saint Louis: 2,800,000 (-0)
(5) Columbus: 2,350,000 (+200,000)
(6) Kansas City: 2,300,000 (+150,000)
(7) Indianapolis: 2,300,000 (+200,000)
(8) Cincinnati: 2,300,000 (+75,000)
(9) Cleveland: 2,000,000 (-50,000)
(10) Milwaukee: 1,600,000 (+25,000)
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Old 05-13-2020, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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1. Chicago
(large gap)
2. Minneapolis/St. Paul
(gap)
3. Detroit
(gap)

4. Cincinnati/Dayton/Northern Kentucky

5. St. Louis

6. Indianapolis

7. Columbus

8. Kansas City

9. Cleveland

10. Milwaukee

Keep in mind this is just in the midwest. Faster growing cities in other regions such as the south and west will zoom past the majority of these below the top 3.
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Old 05-13-2020, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Green Country
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Stature
(1) Chicago
(2) Detroit
(3) Minneapolis
(4) Cleveland
(5) Saint Louis
(6) Cincinnati
(7) Kansas City
(8) Columbus
(9) Indianapolis
(10) Milwaukee

Beauty
(1) Chicago
(2) Cincinnati
(3) Milwaukee
(4) Detroit
(5) Cleveland
(6) Kansas City
(7) Minneapolis
(8) Columbus
(9) Saint Louis
(10) Indianapolis

Preference
(1) Cincinnati
(2) Chicago
(3) Minneapolis
(4) Kansas City
(5) Detroit
(6) Milwaukee
(7) Cleveland
(8) Columbus
(9) Indianapolis
(10) Saint Louis
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Old 05-13-2020, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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There's going to be little or no economic growth between now and 2030. I'd say the more suburban cities will do better and the more urban ones will becomes less desirable.
No growth for a decade? What a dire perspective of things, lol
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Old 05-13-2020, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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Using annual wages now:

Chicago. $280B
Minneapolis. $120B
Detroit $120B

...the rest are all bunched up between $40B and $70B, don't think the top three changes, and don't expect any break the top 20 nationally besides those three. Also think Minneapolis might pull a little bit ahead of Detroit.
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Old 05-14-2020, 12:01 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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1. Chicago
(large gap)
2. Minneapolis/St. Paul
(gap)
3. Detroit
(gap)


4. Cincinnati/Dayton/Northern Kentucky

5. St. Louis

6. Indianapolis

7. Columbus

8. Kansas City

9. Cleveland

10. Milwaukee

Keep in mind this is just in the midwest. Faster growing cities in other regions such as the south and west will zoom past the majority of these below the top 3.
There’s not too many people in this country, much less the world, that would put Minneapolis over Detroit, especially by a “gap”?
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