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Looks like within a few years, Dallas will for sure be #2 after the New York MSA for Indian Americans. I wonder why Houston is not as popular. I personally know a few Indians from Houston/moved to Houston and always thought it had a large growing Indian population but Dallas is eclipsing it easily.
Perhaps it’s that DFW is a telecom and IT hub that is a driver.
Perhaps it’s that DFW is a telecom and IT hub that is a driver.
Its probably more complex than that.
Frankly put, Indian-Americans are not a particularly urban group. They prefer suburbs. There are some exceptions in NYC, but even then New Jersey is the hotspot for Indians, not the city.
For example, the city of San Francisco has 8,968 Indian immigrants but the whole metro area has 148k Indian immigrants. The city of Dallas has 6,982 and the city of Fort Worth has 4,694 despite the metro area having 143k Indian immigrants. Chicago does better at 23,490 Indian immigrants but again there are 140k in the metro area.
Given that Indians overwhelmingly prefer suburbs (or at least suburban areas of cities), why they are flocking to DFW becomes much easier to see. Overall and to be frank, the suburbs of DFW have a better reputation and are viewed as superior to the ones of Houston especially in the Indian community. Hell the suburbs of DFW arguably have the best reputation in the US right now. Thats a huge reason why people of all kinds are moving there in droves.
Ive heard of commercials being run in India that advertise Frisco and Plano and that the land there has been consecrated for their spiritual well being.
Another interesting thing is that, while Houston has more Indians than Atlanta, Atlanta now has a higher number of foreign born Indians.
Demographics dont just include the foreign born. Lots of people move from state to state. Here are the number of people born out of state per metro as well as a breakdown of region.
Born in Another State Total:
New York City - 2,711,068
Washington DC - 2,669,320
Phoenix - 2,237,405
Atlanta - 2,234,415
Dallas/Fort Worth - 1,964,032
Los Angeles - 1,792,106
Chicago - 1,660,454
Philadelphia - 1,513,885
Tampa - 1,458,262
Houston - 1,419,909
Miami/Fort Lauderdale - 1,402,735
Seattle/Tacoma - 1,372,360
Denver - 1,295,310
Boston - 1,167,467
Las Vegas - 1,130,845
Portland, OR - 1,069,407
Charlotte - 1,055,716
Orlando - 980,501
Minneapolis/St. Paul - 894,062
San Francisco - 884,106
Kansas City - 823,748
Baltimore - 821,640
San Diego - 821,060
Virginia Beach - 738,371
St. Louis - 735,089
Nashville - 728,945
Riverside - 670,532
Jacksonville - 664,576
Austin - 656,709
Cincinnati - 608,399
San Antonio - 589,409
Detroit - 566,081
Raleigh - 522,855
Indianapolis - 513,260
Memphis - 483,120
Columbus - 436,705
Oklahoma City - 436,306
Sacramento - 410,908
Richmond - 384,441
Louisville - 360,445
Pittsburgh - 348,784
Cleveland - 343,816
Salt Lake City - 340,982
Milwaukee - 308,726
Hartford - 303,283
San Jose - 271,262
New Orleans - 243,307
Birmingham - 226,046
Buffalo - 115,159
Born in Another State - Northeast
New York City - 1,516,409
Philadelphia - 878,397
Miami/Fort Lauderdale - 813,109
Boston - 713,387
Washington DC - 736,229
Tampa - 587,408
Atlanta - 495,574
Los Angeles - 480,514
Orlando - 440,425
Charlotte - 335,799
Phoenix - 332,236
Baltimore - 304,707
San Francisco - 256,523
Dallas/Fort Worth - 253,325
Chicago - 228,325
Virginia Beach - 218,448
Houston - 208,379
Hartford - 202,213
Denver - 196,665
San Diego - 192,436
Raleigh - 185,435
Jacksonville - 178,506
Seattle/Tacoma - 176,876
Las Vegas - 152,240
Richmond - 133,613
Riverside - 132,535
Cleveland - 109,268
Austin - 107,776
Portland, OR - 104,014
Columbus - 96,219
Nashville - 93,712
Detroit - 89,700
Pittsburgh - 80,787
Minneapolis/St. Paul - 79,918
Cincinnati - 76,729
Sacramento - 75,713
San Antonio - 75,625
San Jose - 72,861
St. Louis - 63,565
Indianapolis - 53,872
Kansas City - 48,259
New Orleans - 36,684
Salt Lake City - 34,328
Louisville - 34,115
Buffalo - 33,524
Oklahoma City - 31,307
Memphis - 30,857
Birmingham - 28,517
Milwaukee - 28,417
Born in Another State - Midwest
Chicago - 784,546
Phoenix - 782,808
Minneapolis/St. Paul - 554,618
Dallas/Fort Worth - 547,506
Los Angeles - 532,585
Atlanta - 482,516
Kansas City - 481,809
Denver - 457,425
Tampa - 429,016
St. Louis - 377,605
Washington DC - 358,709
Houston - 344,591
Seattle/Tacoma - 300,848
New York City - 299,521
Cincinnati - 263,258
San Francisco - 249,501
Miami/Fort Lauderdale - 244,741
Charlotte - 240,119
San Diego - 237,650
Las Vegas - 230,090
Indianapolis - 228,596
Nashville - 218,160
Riverside - 204,821
Portland, OR - 197,657
Austin - 190,658
Charlotte - 181,867
Milwaukee - 177,180
Detroit - 175,551
Jacksonville - 152,782
San Antonio - 152,035
Boston - 144,470
Philadelphia - 140,104
Louisville - 128,374
Virginia Beach - 126,817
Oklahoma City - 122,808
Sacramento - 111,785
Columbus - 109,343
Baltimore - 107,037
Raleigh - 106,835
Pittsburgh - 95,233
Memphis - 88,624
San Jose - 78,490
Cleveland - 72,537
Richmond - 56,646
Salt Lake City - 50,541
Birmingham - 43,191
New Orleans - 42,316
Hartford - 30,590
Buffalo - 23,921
Born in Another State - South
Washington DC - 1,308,602
Atlanta - 1,056,115
Dallas/Fort Worth - 706,475
New York City - 637,815
Houston - 573,104
Los Angeles - 478,473
Charlotte - 461,206
Chicago - 458,800
Philadelphia - 405,241
Baltimore - 339,259
Tampa - 336,239
Kansas City - 327,896
Phoenix - 327,537
Memphis - 326,983
Denver - 303,330
Virginia Beach - 301,116
Jacksonville - 269,954
Miami/Fort Lauderdale - 266,866
Seattle/Tacoma - 264,123
Detroit - 234,610
Orlando - 234,198
San Francisco - 230,349
San Diego - 221,940
Cincinnati - 221,011
St. Louis - 203,709
Riverside - 189,363
Boston - 189,236
San Antonio - 183,529
Raleigh - 182,264
Austin - 179,617
Oklahoma City - 179,252
Columbus - 179,241
Kansas City - 177,273
Indianapolis - 172,157
Louisville - 168,120
Las Vegas - 163,179
Richmond - 161,838
Pittsburgh - 132,952
Portland, OR - 132,935
New Orleans - 131,425
Birmingham - 131,094
Cleveland - 126,529
Minneapolis/St. Paul - 123,507
Sacramento - 112,657
Milwaukee - 69,660
Salt Lake City - 55,406
Hartford - 49,244
Buffalo - 41,028
Born in Another State - West
Phoenix - 794,454
Seattle/Tacoma - 630,783
Portland, OR: 634,774
Las Vegas - 585,345
Dallas/Fort Worth - 456,816
Denver - 337,900
Los Angeles - 300,534
Houston - 293,817
Washington DC - 265,783
New York - 257,323
Salt Lake City - 200,707
Atlanta - 199,190
Chicago - 188,783
Austin - 178,678
San Antonio - 178,220
San Diego - 169,034
San Francisco - 147,333
Riverside - 143,813
Minneapolis/St. Paul - 136,021
Boston - 120,347
Sacramento - 110,753
Tampa - 105,545
Oklahoma City - 102,939
Virginia Beach - 91,990
St. Louis - 90,419
Philadelphia - 90,143
Miami/Fort Lauderdale - 78,019
Charlotte - 76,864
Baltimore - 69,867
Detroit - 66,220
Orlando - 65,699
Jacksonville - 63,964
San Jose - 61,842
Columbus - 51,502
Raleigh - 46,751
Cincinnati - 46,401
Pittsburgh - 39,812
Memphis - 36,656
Milwaukee - 33,469
New Orleans - 32,882
Richmond - 32,326
Louisville - 30,056
Cleveland - 25,662
Birmingham - 23,604
Hartford - 21,236
Buffalo - 16,686
Looks like within a few years, Dallas will for sure be #2 after the New York MSA for Indian Americans. I wonder why Houston is not as popular. I personally know a few Indians from Houston/moved to Houston and always thought it had a large growing Indian population but Dallas is eclipsing it easily.
I think it also has to do something with the fact that Dallas is more of a family area. You can say that about the AA population too.
Perhaps it’s that DFW is a telecom and IT hub that is a driver.
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Originally Posted by As Above So Below...
Its probably more complex than that.
Frankly put, Indian-Americans are not a particularly urban group. They prefer suburbs. There are some exceptions in NYC, but even then New Jersey is the hotspot for Indians, not the city.
For example, the city of San Francisco has 8,968 Indian immigrants but the whole metro area has 148k Indian immigrants. The city of Dallas has 6,982 and the city of Fort Worth has 4,694 despite the metro area having 143k Indian immigrants. Chicago does better at 23,490 Indian immigrants but again there are 140k in the metro area.
Given that Indians overwhelmingly prefer suburbs (or at least suburban areas of cities), why they are flocking to DFW becomes much easier to see. Overall and to be frank, the suburbs of DFW have a better reputation and are viewed as superior to the ones of Houston especially in the Indian community. Hell the suburbs of DFW arguably have the best reputation in the US right now. Thats a huge reason why people of all kinds are moving there in droves.
Ive heard of commercials being run in India that advertise Frisco and Plano and that the land there has been consecrated for their spiritual well being.
Another interesting thing is that, while Houston has more Indians than Atlanta, Atlanta now has a higher number of foreign born Indians.
Worth noting that within NJ, Central Jersey has the highest Indian population, not any of the larger cities in NJ like Newark or Trenton. the exception is Jersey City.
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy205
I think it also has to do something with the fact that Dallas is more of a family area. You can say that about the AA population too.
I think these all make sense; jobs (healthcare, IT), good schools/suburban character, and presence of other Indian-Americans are probably why DFW's Indian population is growing at this rate.
I think it also has to do something with the fact that Dallas is more of a family area. You can say that about the AA population too.
I bring this up because I think youll be interested in the information below. I broke down Houston's black numbers further for you to see where black growth is and isnt coming from.
First was the total black growth from 2018-2019. Greater Houston only gained 2,102 new black residents in one year. Thats quite small.
But in reality the situation is much more complicated than that. Here is the breakdown of what happened in black population for greater Houston between 2018 and 2019:
Total Black Growth: 2,102
Black African Foreign Born Growth: 17,440
Black Caribbean Foreign Born Growth: 3,896
Other Black Foreign Born Growth: 2,786
Black Domestic Born Decline: -22,010
For further reference, most of the African growth comes from Nigeria but East African countries also had significant growth. Caribbean growth is pretty much all Jamaica.
Something I think that its easy to overlook is the foreign born Mexican decline. Cities whose Hispanic community is over 80% Mexican may notice their Hispanic numbers stagnating for this reason. While this isnt uniform across all cities, a trend is emerging. Per the numbers below, DFW seems to be the only exception. I didnt include the Bay Area in the below because the boundaries have changed making a YOY comparison impossible.
All numbers represent growth or decline between 2018-2019 and these numbers are foreign born only. Domestic born Hispanics are not considered in this post. I used Mexico for the major Mexican MSA to determine their population losses or gains but also balanced with Cubans in Miami, Salvadorans in DC, and Dominicans in NYC. When foreign Mexican population is considered, the Central America numbers include all countries in Central America but Mexico:
Los Angeles MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -33,457
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -43,347
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -10,771
Foreign Born South American Growth: 16,317
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -532
New York City MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -47,737
Foreign Born Dominican Decline: -33,864
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -1,074
Foreign Born South America Decline: -14,854
Foreign Born Cuban Decline: -131
Miami/Fort Lauderdale MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 13,380
Foreign Born Cuban Growth: 5,821
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -1,946
Foreign Born South America Growth: 4,807
Foreign Born Dominican Decline: -6,363
Houston MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 34,774
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -7,558
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 19,593
Foreign Born South America Growth: 10,480
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Growth: 2,866
Riverside MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 2,848
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -1,830
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 6,884
Foreign Born South America Decline: -845
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -831
Dallas/Fort Worth MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 11,604
Foreign Born Mexican Growth: 18,269
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 4,726
Foreign Born South America Decline: -4,310
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: 2,163
Chicago MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -14,508
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -29,982
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 11,353
Foreign Born South America Growth: 7,320
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -301
Phoenix MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -1,617
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -12,141
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 7,511
Foreign Born South America Growth: 2,321
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Growth: 890
San Diego MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -34,312
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -30,448
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -1,506
Foreign Born South America Decline: -1,758
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -1,611
Washington DC MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 19,155
Foreign Born Salvadoran Growth: 7,756
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 24,337
Foreign Born South America Decline: -6,556
Foreign Born Caribbean Decline: -2,850
Orlando MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 19,376
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 4,633
Foreign Born South America Growth: 6,405
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Growth: 4,449
Something I think that its easy to overlook is the foreign born Mexican decline. Cities whose Hispanic community is over 80% Mexican may notice their Hispanic numbers stagnating for this reason. While this isnt uniform across all cities, a trend is emerging. Per the numbers below, DFW seems to be the only exception. I didnt include the Bay Area in the below because the boundaries have changed making a YOY comparison impossible.
All numbers represent growth or decline between 2018-2019 and these numbers are foreign born only. Domestic born Hispanics are not considered in this post. I used Mexico for the major Mexican MSA to determine their population losses or gains but also balanced with Cubans in Miami, Salvadorans in DC, and Dominicans in NYC. When foreign Mexican population is considered, the Central America numbers include all countries in Central America but Mexico:
Los Angeles MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -33,457
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -43,347
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -10,771
Foreign Born South American Growth: 16,317
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -532
New York City MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -47,737
Foreign Born Dominican Decline: -33,864
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -1,074
Foreign Born South America Decline: -14,854
Foreign Born Cuban Decline: -131
Miami/Fort Lauderdale MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 13,380
Foreign Born Cuban Growth: 5,821
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -1,946
Foreign Born South America Growth: 4,807
Foreign Born Dominican Decline: -6,363
Houston MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 34,774
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -7,558
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 19,593
Foreign Born South America Growth: 10,480
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Growth: 2,866
Riverside MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 2,848
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -1,830
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 6,884
Foreign Born South America Decline: -845
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -831
Dallas/Fort Worth MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 11,604
Foreign Born Mexican Growth: 18,269
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 4,726
Foreign Born South America Decline: -4,310
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: 2,163
Chicago MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -14,508
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -29,982
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 11,353
Foreign Born South America Growth: 7,320
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -301
Phoenix MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -1,617
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -12,141
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 7,511
Foreign Born South America Growth: 2,321
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Growth: 890
San Diego MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -34,312
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -30,448
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -1,506
Foreign Born South America Decline: -1,758
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -1,611
Washington DC MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 19,155
Foreign Born Salvadoran Growth: 7,756
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 24,337
Foreign Born South America Decline: -6,556
Foreign Born Caribbean Decline: -2,850
Orlando MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 19,376
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 4,633
Foreign Born South America Growth: 6,405
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Growth: 4,449
can you get the numbers for Boston (and San Francisco)?
can you get the numbers for Boston (and San Francisco)?
Sure.
San Francisco MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 19,954
Foreign Born Mexican Growth: 14,942
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 10,814
Foreign Born South America Decline: -4,180
Foreign Born Caribbean Decline: -765
San Jose MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 11,733
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -11,980
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 6,992
Foreign Born South America Decline: -568
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -407
Boston MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -7,392
Foreign Born Dominican Decline: -2,248
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -1,657
Foreign Born South America Decline: -20
Foreign Born Cuban Growth: 374
Seems to me that Houston is slowly if not already starting to have the most diverse Hispanic population west of the Mississippi. In fact, west of Appalachia and Florida.
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