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Inconvenient truth? Once again, no one said a Cleveland wasn’t a powerhouse city. It was, it just wasn’t to the same degree as Detroit was at its peak. The poll wouldn’t be this lopsided if there was a realistic objective argument.
The poll is lopsided because the comparison of Cleveland was to Detroit at their peaks, which pollsters have strongly agreed Detroit wins... and, with whom, I agree.
Detroit was bigger, but I would have loved to see either one at any point during the first half of the last century.
It was the peak of America’s ability to build things.
Nowadays we can’t get out of our own way to do much of anything.
Detroit, clearly. It used to be a massive powerhouse of a city. It's sad what it has become today. Everyone on here talks about how Detroit is booming again, but unless the Google Street View car lies I just don't see the rebirth there on the same scale as I have been seeing it in Pittsburgh, Buffalo, St. Louis, Cincinnati, and, yes, Cleveland.
Like Cleveland with Standard Oil, Seattle just lost the HQ of its homegrown mega-corp baby to Chicago: Boeing.
Boeing would be a distant fourth in Seattle, or maybe third. Amazon, Microsoft, and Costco are much bigger by sales. Costco's "factories" are stores rather than big hometown plants.
PS, it's funny how many cities make simiilar claims about theater districts and top hospitals.
Boeing would be a distant fourth in Seattle, or maybe third. Amazon, Microsoft, and Costco are much bigger by sales. Costco's "factories" are stores rather than big hometown plants.
PS, it's funny how many cities make simiilar claims about theater districts and top hospitals.
I think Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, Mass Gen and TMC are always in the top 4 in some order.
It’s not like Cleveland Clinic is Rocky Mountain Health or something.
As for the theatre district. Cleveland is a theatre *complex* (Eg common owners) not the 2nd largest district.
But still top 7 for performing arts overall. But a lot of Cleveland’s art scene is more reflective of its desire to be like the big boys than anything else. Like Playhouse sq was revived via tax money (and now a dedicated art tax) rather than the business community
A lot of what makes Cleveland outsized today in the arts traces back to civic demand to be like a big city than its legacy institutions.
Like Cleveland with Standard Oil, Seattle just lost the HQ of its homegrown mega-corp baby to Chicago: Boeing.
And Chicago is about to lose it to Dallas? Seattle is a city that has and will have a huge imprint in the world's future. Can you say that about Cleveland? Tech makes the world go round and outside of SF, I'm not sure there's a bigger tech city than Seattle. It's bordering on iconic.
Detroit was clearly the most important city at its peak. It was a top 7 city until the 1980s. Even now it's top 15 city.
That being said, I would say Cleveland left a more impressive legacy: CWU, Cleveland Clinic, the theaters, the museums, parks, the subway system. Detroit has some of those things, but surprisingly less than Cleveland, let alone Philly, Chicago, Boston. As cute as Ann Arbor is, it's too bad the university isn't in Detroit proper.
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