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But today, is Las Vegas more like Denver and SLC, or is it more similar and connected to Los Angeles and Phoenix? There's a reason why the Raiders moved to Las Vegas.
I was in Vail today as well as 3 times last week. It's only 1.5 to 2 hours away. It's really not isolated, 40mins away is Silverthorne and Dillon. Then Idaho Springs, all right along I-70. Half of those condos are owned by people in metro Denver. Did you fly into DIA or Eagle County? I'd assume you flew into DIA.
I wouldn't claim it has as much dominance over the Mountain West as it does Boston does over New England. My argument is that New England's size hurts it. If there's no Boston, people in the area seem to have many more options within a much closer distance for city like amenities.
No. The Mountain West states (IMO) are Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, Utah, maybe eastern Idaho. But Idaho is commonly grouped into the PNW. And Boise is definitely more connected to Oregon and Washington. New Mexico is also a southwestern state.
There's just as many pictures of Idaho being in the PNW. Arizona? Does the southwest not exist anymore?
Nevada may be a mountain west state, don't really care about that part of the argument, but is Las Vegas more connected to LA and Phoenix? Or nah? Still haven't gotten an answer to that one.
Again if Las Vegas is in the Mountain West and more connected to LA then like it means Denver is not dominate over the mountain west not that having a connection to LA makes Las Vegas not the mountain west. Just like being closer to Seattle than Denver doesn’t make Idaho not the Mountain West. It means Denver doesn’t dominate it.
You can’t take Boston out of New England. The whole reason there are 6 states is because of Boston. There would be no New England without it. Massachusetts, Maine, NH, CT and RI all directly owe their existence to Boston. In a very literal sense RI would not be a political entity if not for Boston. The whole region exists because of Boston. That is simply not true of Atlanta or Boston, it’s way more than daytrips to the theatre. The very bedrock of the region is due to Boston.
You say this a lot like it's relevant to this discussion. What would New England be if you remove Boston? Fishing villages, logging and small farms. Why would these activities 'need' major city amenities more than plains farmers and the mountain resorts?
But today, is Las Vegas more like Denver and SLC, or is it more similar and connected to Los Angeles and Phoenix? There's a reason why the Raiders moved to Las Vegas.
I was in Vail today as well as 3 times last week. It's only 1.5 to 2 hours away. It's really not isolated, 40mins away is Silverthorne and Dillon. Then Idaho Springs, all right along I-70. Half of those condos are owned by people in metro Denver. Did you fly into DIA or Eagle County? I'd assume you flew into DIA.
I wouldn't claim it has as much dominance over the Mountain West as it does Boston does over New England. My argument is that New England's size hurts it. If there's no Boston, people in the area seem to have many more options within a much closer distance for city like amenities.
No. The Mountain West states (IMO) are Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, Utah, maybe eastern Idaho. But Idaho is commonly grouped into the PNW. And Boise is definitely more connected to Oregon and Washington. New Mexico is also a southwestern state.
There's just as many pictures of Idaho being in the PNW. Arizona? Does the southwest not exist anymore?
Nevada may be a mountain west state, don't really care about that part of the argument, but is Las Vegas more connected to LA and Phoenix? Or nah? Still haven't gotten an answer to that one.
I flew into DIA. Idk came from Bow-Mar and it felt like an eternity and seemed like this little disconnected haven in the hilks with a large grocery store (or was it a Walmart) at the foot of it. Maybe it felt far because we slowed down to manage the changes in elevation. Or maybe we too the scenic route idk. I was high off the Denver grass honestly lol.
I just remember driving through so many various mountain towns in Colorado… it felt like the wild west. Very cool but seemed so different and separate from Denver.
Let's say today it's more like Phoenix, I agree with that. I actually had this discussion with tn ex wife who lokes denvwr I like Denver to I prefer Vegas. I said demographically and size wise pretty similar- but Denver is like a mature Vegas with snow. The layout and density felt similar.
Phoenix is like mega-Vegas but leaning more right.
Vegas started with imilarities to Denver for sure but denver influence doesn't get out there. You may not care Nevada is a mountain west state but it is. Especially of course- away from Vegas.
Idrc about Idaho that much tbh. In my mind and I think in many people minds it's mountain west, I've learned on C-D it's equally PNW maybe?
You say this a lot like it's relevant to this discussion. What would New England be if you remove Boston? Fishing villages, logging and small farms. Why would these activities 'need' major city amenities more than plains farmers and the mountain resorts?
It's be struggling milk towns and dying old cities like you see in PA, Upstate NY or central CT..
A bunch if Wares, Athols, Torringtons, Ludlows mixed with Waterburys, Scrantons, Uticas, Patersons, and Rochesters. Aka it'd be ugly and irrelevant.
Small farms? Hah maybe in Vermont? Fishing villages? In Connecticut? Logging? Not in southern NE. You're basically describing northern new England being fine without a large city and I agree with that. However those states don't thrive as is: the only one that does well is NH particularly southern NH because it feeds off boat on. RI and CT would just be even worse than they are already because there be way less reason to even pass through or have infrastructure like Amtrak.
I flew into DIA. Idk came from Bow-Mar and it felt like an eternity and seemed like this little disconnected haven in the hilks with a large grocery store (or was it a Walmart) at the foot of it. Maybe it felt far because we slowed down to manage the changes in elevation. Or maybe we too the scenic route idk. I was high off the Denver grass honestly lol.
I just remember driving through so many various mountain towns in Colorado… it felt like the wild west. Very cool but seemed so different and separate from Denver.
Let's say today it's more like Phoenix, I agree with that. I actually had this discussion with tn ex wife who lokes denvwr I like Denver to I prefer Vegas. I said demographically and size wise pretty similar- but Denver is like a mature Vegas with snow. The layout and density felt similar.
Phoenix is like mega-Vegas but leaning more right.
Vegas started with imilarities to Denver for sure but denver influence doesn't get out there. You may not care Nevada is a mountain west state but it is. Especially of course- away from Vegas.
Idrc about Idaho that much tbh. In my mind and I think in many people minds it's mountain west, I've learned on C-D it's equally PNW maybe?
It's really not that far and certainly relies on Denver area logistics to stock that Walmart and restaurants as well. It's different, yeah, they're mountain towns lol.
I've only been in the airport in Vegas but this looks like a quintessential scene in Southern California. https://maps.app.goo.gl/psdw4aLCGmj2dJLF9
The accents of the people there sound more like LA also, the style of dickies and chucks has carried over as well as the gangs and style of hip-hop. There's that in Denver also, but all that came from LA. I feel pretty similar with Carson City and Reno, both are known as Bay Area day trips, well Lake Tahoe is at least. None of the other areas are populated for much tangible influence. Same with Idaho, Boise is 44 miles from Oregon and Coeur d'Alene shares a metro with Spokane.
I don't think anyone would ding Houston because it doesn't really influence El Paso, even though it's in the same state.
Again if Las Vegas is in the Mountain West and more connected to LA then like it means Denver is not dominate over the mountain west not that having a connection to LA makes Las Vegas not the mountain west. Just like being closer to Seattle than Denver doesn’t make Idaho not the Mountain West. It means Denver doesn’t dominate it.
You can’t take Boston out of New England. The whole reason there are 6 states is because of Boston. There would be no New England without it. Massachusetts, Maine, NH, CT and RI all directly owe their existence to Boston. In a very literal sense RI would not be a political entity if not for Boston. The whole region exists because of Boston. That is simply not true of Atlanta or Boston, it’s way more than daytrips to the theatre. The very bedrock of the region is due to Boston.
I truly don't think Vegas is in the mountain west. Just like El Paso isn't in the south. Same for Boise. Denver can't influence it because it's not the same region.
Pittsburgh is in a northeastern state yet most people include it in the midwest.
I truly don't think Vegas is in the mountain west. Just like El Paso isn't in the south. Same for Boise. Denver can't influence it because it's not the same region.
Pittsburgh is in a northeastern state yet most people include it in the midwest.
I feel that it's a visible part of it's DNA. Not liberal enough to be truly west coast, not latink and storied enough to be pure SW. It's not like adobe homes and green vs red chilli, no native American reservations…The mountains, economic history (ranching/mining) and slightly cowboy vibe make Vegas feel like mountain west to me. Like Pittsburgh and DC…. it's a transitional area.
I feel that it's a visible part of it's DNA. Not liberal enough to be truly west coast, not latink and storied enough to be pure SW. It's not like adobe homes and green vs red chilli, no native American reservations…The mountains, economic history (ranching/mining) and slightly cowboy vibe make Vegas feel like mountain west to me. Like Pittsburgh and DC…. it's a transitional area.
Visibly, it looks alot more like LA or Phoenix. https://maps.app.goo.gl/hbFBH195Z5PwZgwi7
That's the first place I clicked on Google maps, it looks just like LA and Phoenix suburbs. The entire west coast isn't liberal. Orange county voted 44% for Trump. Is Phoenix storied? We do green chile as well, not sure about red. Native American reservations aren't solely a SW thing, the most are in California. And Montana and Dakotas have them too. While Colorado has only about 2 I think. The economic history of Las Vegas is casinos and mobs. Las Vegas didn't grow up as a mining town. And mining was huge in California, Alaska and Arizona have mining history as well. That ties them in with the west in general, not the mountain west. Cowboy culture is from Mexico my friend, we just adopted it. The mountains could just as easily remind you of California, Arizona, and New Mexico, no?
Visibly, it looks alot more like LA or Phoenix. https://maps.app.goo.gl/hbFBH195Z5PwZgwi7
That's the first place I clicked on Google maps, it looks just like LA and Phoenix suburbs. The entire west coast isn't liberal. Orange county voted 44% for Trump. Is Phoenix storied? We do green chile as well, not sure about red. Native American reservations aren't solely a SW thing, the most are in California. And Montana and Dakotas have them too. While Colorado has only about 2 I think. The economic history of Las Vegas is casinos and mobs. Las Vegas didn't grow up as a mining town. And mining was huge in California, Alaska and Arizona have mining history as well. That ties them in with the west in general, not the mountain west. Cowboy culture is from Mexico my friend, we just adopted it. The mountains could just as easily remind you of California, Arizona, and New Mexico, no?
If we're pretending the west coast metros aren't known for liberalism in a way Vegas is not id rather not engage.
Other stuff like Cowboy culture being from Mexico and mining in Alaska is also silly/impractical imo.
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