Honolulu or Miami? (live, state, better, largest)

[PosterExtraordinaire]

Originally Posted by sav858

Honolulu MSA is 55% Asian and only 17% white. Miami MSA is only 42% Hispanic (of any race) and 33% White Only. Honolulu is clearly more Asian than Miami is Hispanic. But don't let facts like get in the way of bizarre opinion.

Just noticed, this is wrong. You posted stats for Honolulu proper not MSA.

Honolulu MSA demographics:

46% Asian.
21% white.
9% Pacific Islander.
2% Black
7% Latino (any race)

Honolulu County, Hawaii - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Miami MSA:

33% white hispanic.
21% black (many of which are hispanic black from puerto rico, cuba, and the dominican republic)

35% non-hispanic white.
2% asian

Hispanic or latinos of any race was 42%

Miami metropolitan area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course, the race of the people don't determine the culture. It's where they come from. Those asians in Hawaii have lived there for generations (for the most part). The Latins in Miami, not so much.

A shame I can't find foreign born statistics. But the language links I posted are a clue.

[Fitzrovian]

Originally Posted by PosterExtraordinaire

That's true, but to Sav's credit he did post MSA vs MSA and Honolulu still emerged on top (but nowhere near as dramatic). I used city proper's since the information was easier to come by and I didn't feel like spending time digging.

But MSA Miami is still 5 times as big as MSA Honolulu. They're not in the same category or even ballpark to be compared like that. Miami offers far more options for employment, including higher paying jobs than Honolulu. In the process it attracts a lot of immigrants. The rest is history. Honolulu has basically no economy outside military and tourism.

One more thing, notice how high Charleston, WV is on the list. This is why comparisons for far much smaller cities doesn't make sense.

I think it would be fair to say that Miami has more poverty but also A LOT more wealth. When I was in Honolulu I didn't see anywhere the kind of upscale condo towers that you see in Miami by the hundreds or the kind of affluence that you see in many corners of South Florida.

[PosterExtraordinaire]

Originally Posted by Fitzrovian

I think it would be fair to say that Miami has more poverty but also A LOT more wealth. When I was in Honolulu I didn't see the kind of upscale condo towers anywhere that you see in Miami by the hundreds or the kind of affluence that you see in many corners of South Florida.

I don't think even Sav would deny that. As Miami is a huge finance/banking hub for Latin American and Honolulu is only a banking hub for.... the rest of the Hawaiian islands! There is just a ridiculous amount of money rolling through Miami. Check out all the exotic cars rolling through South Beach.

But as the last nail in the coffin as far as culture goes:

When cities (MSA) are ranked by foreign born population (raw numbers) it goes like this

NYC(~5.1 million)
LA(~4.4 million)
Hong Kong (~2.5 million)
Paris(~2.4 million)
Toronto(~2.3 million)
London(~2.3 million)
Miami(~2 million)
Chicago(~1.6 million)
Sydney (~1.2 million)
San Francisco (~1.2 million)
Moscow(~1.1 million)
Houston(~1.1 million)
Dubai(~1 million)
Riyadh(~1 million)
DC(~1 million)
Dallas(~1 million)


When by percentage:

Dubai (82%)
Miami (51%)
Queens (48%)
Amsterdam (47%)
Toronto (45%)
Muscat (45%)
Singapore (43%)
Vancouver (39%)
Auckland (39%)
Geneva (39%)
Meccas (38%)

Foreign born - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Honolulu is on neither list and her foreign population probably hovers somewhere between 10 and 20%.

What's more I forgot about Vancouver and Toronto. They are FAR more asian culturally than Honolulu (especially Vancouver).

So Honolulu at best gets third in the special Olympics

[PosterExtraordinaire]

Re my point on the radio:

You can flick on the radio and get Spanish/latin stations in MIA.

In Honolulu the best you get is island stations.

In Vancouver you actually get asian language stations.

[Nightscape]

There are multiple Asian language radio and tv stations in Honolulu.

[PosterExtraordinaire]

Originally Posted by Nightscape

There are multiple Asian language radio and tv stations in Honolulu.

I never stumbled upon one when I rented a car. Which station, give me FM and not satellite.

Either way, in (for latin) Miami and (for asian) Vancouver, I couldn't help but run into them browsing. So they are far more common in those cities.

[Nightscape]

Because you didn't stumble upon one while renting a car means it doesn't exist?

I've lived in Honolulu for many years. Look it up yourself, I don't care to prove a point.

[PosterExtraordinaire]

Originally Posted by PosterExtraordinaire

Honolulu is on neither list and her foreign population probably hovers somewhere between 10 and 20%.

I finally found something:

25% of Honolulu is foreign born (this is for city proper, not MSA-include the MSA and it goes down, probably inside the range I gave).

80% of the Asians in Honolulu only speak English.

Only 20% of native Asians speak some language other than English whereas 92% of non-native Asians do.

http://www.city-data.com/races/races...-Hawaii.html#b

This puts it to rest. You can't argue that they were simply taking the primary language anymore.

[PosterExtraordinaire]

Originally Posted by Nightscape

Because you didn't stumble upon one while renting a car means it doesn't exist?

I've lived in Honolulu for many years. Look it up yourself, I don't care to prove a point.

I'm not saying they don't exist, but asking if you for the station. You don't want to give me, fine don't give me.

EDIT: Looked them up, they are AM stations which is probably why I didn't run into them. Again, both Vancouver and MIA have corresponding ethnic stations on the more popular format: FM where you don't have to know they exist to hit them.

[MB8abovetherim]

Miami, it's nice to be able to leave the state every once and a while