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Old 11-13-2008, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Camden is what it is, a crime ridden, poor city extension of Philly which has more of the same or worse.
You are misguided! Dont blame or associate Camden with Philadlephia.Camden is a New Jersey product and a New Jersey problem. Directly west of Camden is one of the best urban neighborhoods in the usa, Center City Philaldephia. Which includes the incredible neighborhoods of Soceity HIll,Queen Village,Rittenhouse,Bella Vista,University City.

Camden IS NOT an extension of Philadlephia rather its the former core city of the very underwhelming region of South jersey. Camden is a reflection of South Jerseys modest economy, not Philadlephia.







Here's Camden



This is on the exact opposite side of the river. You could throw a stone from that street in Camden and hit this in Philly. Camden should be 100x what is being so close to one of the greatest downtowns in the usa. Your state officials from North Jersey lone interest is NYC metro, its not an accident that Camden one of the poorest cities in th eusa, is also the backdoor to the 4th largest metro in the country. They're protecting their interest in north jersey where their bread is buttered.




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Old 11-13-2008, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Boston
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hartford ct and springfield ma. both run down and filthy.
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Old 11-13-2008, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Ops,here's pictureman again
Means nothing.
I'm trying to make sense of how someone with access to the internet can be so clueless. Philadelphia is not a stagnant area, never in its history has this region lost population or lost commerce. It grows every census period and grows intelligently, with a purpose.

As far as the pictures you dont seem to perceptive and thought maybe you arent as blind as you are misinformed.
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Old 11-13-2008, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Montco PA
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Agree, Camden gets neglected by NJ politicians, who are kissing up to and spending money in North Jersey, where most of the wealth (and NYC) is. It's sad, because Camden could be a good sister city to Philadelphia the way Jersey City is to NYC.

This being said, what is good for Philadelphia would be good for Camden. So if Philadelphia posted job and/or population gains that were on par with Philadelphia's peer group of cities, Camden would surely benefit. There are some yuppies living in Camden and commuting to jobs in Center City, but it's small change for now.
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Old 11-13-2008, 10:28 AM
 
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You are misguided! Dont blame or associate Camden with Philadlephia.Camden is a New Jersey product and a New Jersey problem. Camden IS NOT an extension of Philadlephia rather its the former core city of the very underwhelming region of South jersey. Camden is a reflection of South Jerseys modest economy, not Philadlephia.
not quite...the state isn't doing everything they can to help south jersey, but why is that? it might be because south jersey is next to philly and north jersey is next to new york, a city that has a clue.

st. louis - east st. louis
chicago - gary
cincinnati - covington

the economies can't compete, the cities become dumping grounds for poverty (often from the big city), and big-city crime proliferates throughout the smaller communities.

camden's population is roughly 80,000, just big enough to sustain a large number of murders. i would think the culture of crime and murder in philly is the other primary issue.
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Old 11-13-2008, 10:34 AM
 
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Pay no attention to the previous poster. Camden was a thriving city in the 40s/50s and was primarily settled by those in Philly looking for housing and job opportunity at RCA, Campbell's Soup, etc. It was directly inhabited by those escaping Philly. The rise and decline of Philly/Camden are directly related. The culture, incomes, poverty are exactly the same today, save center city Philadelphia and some other pockets where professionals live and work. Camden has nothing in common with the rest of southern NJ. Its closest relative of any material size in the entire state is Newark.
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Old 11-13-2008, 10:46 AM
 
Location: TwilightZone
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Here's Camden

This is on the exact opposite side of the river. You could throw a stone from that street in Camden and hit this in Philly.
Nice picture of an alley...so is that supposed to be a street?...
Oh and the cobblestone went out over 100 years ago
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Old 11-13-2008, 10:50 AM
 
Location: TwilightZone
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I'm trying to make sense of how someone with access to the internet can be so clueless.
Why don't you ask that of yourself first?...Oh that's right,no self-reflection at all...well at least you know how to work photoshop all right

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As far as the pictures you dont seem to perceptive and thought maybe you arent as blind as you are misinformed.
No,I just equate pictures with picturebooks and big letters that are common with children...plus the fact that pictures and buildings are all it seems to take to impress non-thinking city-dwellers and suburbanites along with the tourists.
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Old 11-13-2008, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Camden was a thriving city in the 40s/50s and was primarily settled by those in Philly looking for housing and job opportunity at RCA, Campbell's Soup, etc. It was directly inhabited by those escaping Philly.
Camden has been around forever, its as old as Philadlephia. Camden isnt a byproduct of Philadlephia it was/is a competitor. Directly across the river Soceity HIll,Rittenhouse Square,Queen Village,University City werent always the well kept impeccable vibrant neighborhoods they are today. They were in the same boat Camden was back in the early part of the 20th century. Pennsylvania invested alot of time money and effort to clean up Center City and its still a work in progress. There is $10 B worth of construction going on 1/2 mile west of Camden.

Hello NJ how about getting in on some of that action?

New jersey has absolutely neglected Camden from a residential point of view. They snuck in a few money making siphoners along the river e.g. the Aquarium, the Outdoor Concert Hall etc to prey on Philadephias tourism industry but as far as putting effort into turning Camden around, New jersey could care less.

NY is their bread winner, Camden is the last thing on the minds of NJ legislators.The fact that Camden is a total loss is almost a good thing to most of the legislators N of Trenton as it contaminates the Philadelphia region, lessening the desire of corporations making a short move to a cheaper region with with just a high quality of life.
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Old 11-13-2008, 11:23 AM
 
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Pennsylvania invested a lot of money into Union back-pockets and other political payoffs instead of funding education, low income housing for those that need it, road maintenance signage and repair, municipal services that don't lack. That's why PA is a lower income, 2nd tier state. It lacks the fundamentals to compete in a global service economy.

Rocker, you are completely lost on this subject (not a surprise), NJ has spent billions on Camden, including revitalization, the aquarium, luring the Riversharks etc. Camden, like Philly, is not a quick turnaround story but it is making progress. You and I will be dead before Philadelphia is held in much higher esteem around the globe. It might not ever happen.
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