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Albuquerques history is going no where, it has stayed true to it's history and culture and it's roots. What history culture and roots did Phoenix ever have to began with? It's suburban tract sprawl? I gurantee you 30 years from now Albuquerque no matter what will still have the same personality and character , unlike some other cities that never had any personality or character to began with.. Look at a city like Philly, it's became much larger over time, but still sticks to what it's about. Phoenix is simply a city with no charm or character to begin with.
Until it grows. When it does grow it will take in people from elsewhere who'll bring their culture and character.People who won't care about the Southwest. As far as suburban tract sprawl that's what brings growth. A lot of inbound migration isn't going to happen because of a few cool, dense, walkable inner neighborhoods. People come for nice new houses and new businesses offering jobs, which is what the suburbs is.
The whole "ABQ is on the move" mentality doesn't seem to realize that there's a trade off. If you are, then you're moving away from where you're at now.
I'm not promoting the suburbs, I like the way Tucson has tried to limit growth. They've consistently voted down freeways and protected natural areas around the city. They've down so because they've watched PHX and learned.
If you don't mean ABQ is on the move as far as growth then I don't know what you mean. Growth has it's consequences.
Phoenix suffered those consequences, but before that happened there's history to it. It's younger than ABQ going back to the 1870's(like a lot of great towns in NM and AZ). An Old West farming town initially with fair amount of whites, mexicans, and local indians. It's built over the ruins of many Hohokam pueblos spread out through the Salt River Valley who had the most extensive canal system in pre-contact America. Their agriculture was on a larger scale than the Anasazi up by four corners, and the traded with the Aztecs and other Central American peoples. When they dig for a new freeway in PHX they still find mummified parrots, ball courts, and pueblos and whatnot. That's why it's called Phoenix, because it's risen again from the old city of 1000 years ago. So, yes, there is more to Phoenix's history than suburban tract sprawl.
Until it grows. When it does grow it will take in people from elsewhere who'll bring their culture and character.People who won't care about the Southwest. As far as suburban tract sprawl that's what brings growth. A lot of inbound migration isn't going to happen because of a few cool, dense, walkable inner neighborhoods. People come for nice new houses and new businesses offering jobs, which is what the suburbs is.
The whole "ABQ is on the move" mentality doesn't seem to realize that there's a trade off. If you are, then you're moving away from where you're at now.
I'm not promoting the suburbs, I like the way Tucson has tried to limit growth. They've consistently voted down freeways and protected natural areas around the city. They've down so because they've watched PHX and learned.
If you don't mean ABQ is on the move as far as growth then I don't know what you mean. Growth has it's consequences.
Phoenix suffered those consequences, but before that happened there's history to it. It's younger than ABQ going back to the 1870's(like a lot of great towns in NM and AZ). An Old West farming town initially with fair amount of whites, mexicans, and local indians. It's built over the ruins of many Hohokam pueblos spread out through the Salt River Valley who had the most extensive canal system in pre-contact America. Their agriculture was on a larger scale than the Anasazi up by four corners, and the traded with the Aztecs and other Central American peoples. When they dig for a new freeway in PHX they still find mummified parrots, ball courts, and pueblos and whatnot. That's why it's called Phoenix, because it's risen again from the old city of 1000 years ago. So, yes, there is more to Phoenix's history than suburban tract sprawl.
I don't believe you one bit, their is no trade off with Albuquerque, just because a disaster like Phoenix happened don't mean it will happen to every other city that grows bigger. Albuquerque holds too much pride in itsef to sell out, and change it's identity with growth, you either blend in with Albuquerque and Southwest culture or you dont. Phoenix never really represented anything I can ever think of, so to compare the two is funny to me. What charm did Phoenix ever have to began with?
You make it seem as if Phoenix was once at Albuquerques level when it comes to character and charm, and cultural pride, I don't ever re-call that?? So to say Albuquerque once it grows will turn into another Phoenix is a flat out joke. Albuquerque is growing at a reasonable rate , Phoenix on the opposite hand tried putting on bigger shoes than it could handle, now look at you guys the real estate mess you are in.
Albuquerque continues to grow but step by step, not giant steps at a time, you either ride with what it's about, or you step aside, but nobody is going to change Albuquerque even within population growth, Albuquerque has too much pride, and character to sell out in exchange for Population growth, and even with population growth, Albuquerque still remains under the radar, which is great, so in other words the people Albuquerque does attract are suited just right for where they need to be.
The thing I like about Albuquerque, is that their is room for different types of people, but at the end of the day Albuquerque stays true at heart and character.
I don't believe you one bit, their is no trade off with Albuquerque, just because a disaster like Phoenix happened don't mean it will happen to every other city that grows bigger. Albuquerque holds too much pride in itsef to sell out, and change it's identity with growth, you either blend in with Albuquerque and Southwest culture or you dont. Phoenix never really represented anything I can ever think of, so to compare the two is funny to me. What charm did Phoenix ever have to began with?
You make it seem as if Phoenix was once at Albuquerques level when it comes to character and charm, and cultural pride, I don't ever re-call that?? So to say Albuquerque once it grows will turn into another Phoenix is a flat out joke. Albuquerque is growing at a reasonable rate , Phoenix on the opposite hand tried putting on bigger shoes than it could handle, now look at you guys the real estate mess you are in.
Albuquerque continues to grow but step by step, not giant steps at a time, you either ride with what it's about, or you step aside, but nobody is going to change Albuquerque even within population growth, Albuquerque has too much pride, and character to sell out in exchange for Population growth, and even with population growth, Albuquerque still remains under the radar, which is great, so in other words the people Albuquerque does attract are suited just right for where they need to be.
The thing I like about Albuquerque, is that their is room for different types of people, but at the end of the day Albuquerque stays true at heart and character.
Let me ask you this question. Have you EVER lived in Phoenix? If not, why do you believe that you have all the answers? I'll wait for your response, just as I am still waiting for one from the other thread (Albuquerque VS Tucson VS El Paso )...
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Until it grows. When it does grow it will take in people from elsewhere who'll bring their culture and character.People who won't care about the Southwest. As far as suburban tract sprawl that's what brings growth. A lot of inbound migration isn't going to happen because of a few cool, dense, walkable inner neighborhoods. People come for nice new houses and new businesses offering jobs, which is what the suburbs is.
The whole "ABQ is on the move" mentality doesn't seem to realize that there's a trade off. If you are, then you're moving away from where you're at now.
I'm not promoting the suburbs, I like the way Tucson has tried to limit growth. They've consistently voted down freeways and protected natural areas around the city. They've down so because they've watched PHX and learned.
If you don't mean ABQ is on the move as far as growth then I don't know what you mean. Growth has it's consequences.
Phoenix suffered those consequences, but before that happened there's history to it. It's younger than ABQ going back to the 1870's(like a lot of great towns in NM and AZ). An Old West farming town initially with fair amount of whites, mexicans, and local indians. It's built over the ruins of many Hohokam pueblos spread out through the Salt River Valley who had the most extensive canal system in pre-contact America. Their agriculture was on a larger scale than the Anasazi up by four corners, and the traded with the Aztecs and other Central American peoples. When they dig for a new freeway in PHX they still find mummified parrots, ball courts, and pueblos and whatnot. That's why it's called Phoenix, because it's risen again from the old city of 1000 years ago. So, yes, there is more to Phoenix's history than suburban tract sprawl.
Very good insight on growth in the Southwest and also the history of Phoenix (which I hadn't known nor looked into) which is quite intriguing. Thanks for bringing the discussion down to earth (even if they fall on deaf ears for some). And I am more bias to New Mexico though I get what you're saying. Though Albuquerque has its charms in spots a huge bulk of the city is just as sprawly, soulless, and strip mally as suburban areas of Phoenix. The layout of the city for the most part spawns that type of development.
I debated taking a job in Tuscon and visited. Later in the same trip, I headed to ABQ for a few days. I have to say, HANDS DOWN ABQ has much more to offer a 30something single female. The feel of the city was more eccentric, diverse and growing. Entertainment options are not limited to college students and retirees. While I think I would like the Tuscon climate better, I am not a fan of golf courses or tract housing and really enjoy cities with a diversity of architectural styles and a central downtown area. If the job would have been in ABQ, I would have taken it. I passed on Tucson.
Hmmm I like both Tuscon and Albuquerque but would lean towards Albuquerque. Having lived in ABQ for a moderate amount of time I really enjoy the culture and people. I have visited Tuscon many times and its also quite a nice city but I just felt more comfortable in ABQ. Please the weather in ABQ is more tolerable.
-New Mexican Style Cuisine
-Tri Culture
-Balloon Fiesta
-Sandia Tramway
-Friendly Atmoshere
-Mild four seasons
-lots of history
-casinos
-endless outdoor activities
So much to offer, Albuquerque seems like a place I would feel more at "home"
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