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I have to agree; plus you have to take into account that California has 30,000,000 more people than Massachussets has. That difference is larger than any state, except California.
Why do we have to take this into account? What does this have to do with anything? The South has millions more people than New England too, and that's not giving it any advantage here! NY state has more people than Massachusetts and its not winning here. Alaska is much larger than CA and it doesn't beat CA out.
Why do people keep pointing out the size difference like it matters at all? Schools are located wherever they're located, and many of the best are in random, tiny college towns. It makes no difference how large or populated a state is in determining what or where the best schools are.
Because land area and population are determining factors in what makes a quality school?? Then shouldn't either Jacksonville or NYC be leading in this category? If you're going to look at it like this then maybe you should consider how much less land and population the Bay Area has vs. Massachusetts when putting UC Berkeley, UCSF and Stanford as the top CA schools in most of these categories.
Will there ever be a comparison made where the NE isn't winning that actually WON'T have people whining that the comparison "isn't fair?" We're comparing 2 states here. Trust me, ITS FAIR!
Well according to the poll, the NE is winning this comparison So there's no need for anyone supporting Massachusetts to complain.
Likewise, California is a dramatically younger state with most people not moving here until after 1900. Universities in MA are some of the oldest in our country and have had a longer time to establish their reputations. CA has risen to the top in education in just a short amout of time. Schools like UCSD are ranked 35th in our country and have been open only 50 years.
MA:
Boston University 1839
Harvard 1636
Amherst 1821
Wheaton 1834
Tufts 1852
MIT 1861
Boston College 1863
WPI 1865
UM Amherst 1863
Becker 1784
Williams 1793
Holy Cross 1843
etc....
Not many of the post-1900 campuses are very well known or high ranking.
CA:
UCLA 1919
UC San Diego 1959
UC Davis 1959
Claremont McKenna College 1946
Harvey Mudd College 1955
Pomona College 1887
University of Southern California 1880
Stanford 1885
Cal Tech 1891
Cal Poly SLO 1901
UC Irvine 1965
UC Berkeley 1868
I think this is a much more impressive fact than the size or population of a state. CA's schools had to play catch up and did it very well.
Massachusetts wins because the University of California is all one school.
Umm, I'm really getting your logic here, but I'm assuming you're partially joking. But just in case you're not, the UC system is a collection of 10 schools. And regardless, we're comparing which states have the better universities, so that wouldn't make a difference. If anything, if the UC system was all compacted into only one school, that should make CA the clear winner anyway.
Population/geographical size has no role in this discussion. It's simply overall offerings vs overall offerings, colleges per capita or any other measure is meaningless.
Umm, I'm really getting your logic here, but I'm assuming you're partially joking. But just in case you're not, the UC system is a collection of 10 schools. And regardless, we're comparing which states have the better universities, so that wouldn't make a difference. If anything, if the UC system was all compacted into only one school, that should make CA the clear winner anyway.
Actually it is a collection of 10 "campuses" and it has only one president. In my experience that makes it one school. But yes, that is one heckofa school!
Why do we have to take this into account? What does this have to do with anything? The South has millions more people than New England too, and that's not giving it any advantage here! NY state has more people than Massachusetts and its not winning here. Alaska is much larger than CA and it doesn't beat CA out.
Why do people keep pointing out the size difference like it matters at all? Schools are located wherever they're located, and many of the best are in random, tiny college towns. It makes no difference how large or populated a state is in determining what or where the best schools are.
How's this:
California wins with sheer numbers but pound for pound Massachusetts wins.
Likewise, California is a dramatically younger state with most people not moving here until after 1900. Universities in MA are some of the oldest in our country and have had a longer time to establish their reputations. CA has risen to the top in education in just a short amout of time. Schools like UCSD are ranked 35th in our country and have been open only 50 years.
MA:
Boston University 1839
Harvard 1636
Amherst 1821
Wheaton 1834
Tufts 1852
MIT 1861
Boston College 1863
WPI 1865
UM Amherst 1863
Becker 1784
Williams 1793
Holy Cross 1843
etc.... Not many of the post-1900 campuses are very well known or high ranking.
CA:
UCLA 1919
UC San Diego 1959
UC Davis 1959
Claremont McKenna College 1946
Harvey Mudd College 1955
Pomona College 1887
University of Southern California 1880
Stanford 1885
Cal Tech 1891
Cal Poly SLO 1901
UC Irvine 1965
UC Berkeley 1868
I guess you've not heard of Olin (1997) or Hampshire (1970). But age of a university shouldn't matter in this debate. Its based on quality/quantity of higher education.
And to add to your list of premier higher education schools ..
MA:
Boston University 1839
Harvard 1636
Amherst 1821
Wheaton 1834
Tufts 1852
MIT 1861
Boston College 1863
WPI 1865
UM Amherst 1863
Becker 1784
Williams 1793
Holy Cross 1843
Brandies Babson Hampshire Mount Holyoke Smith Wellesley Berklee SMFA Radcliffe
plus many other schools of superior music, art, education, medical, business, religion and law schools
I dont think you realize the amount of excellent LACs in MA. And this is not taking into account the rest of the excellent schools in New England, a much smaller footprint in America than California.
do a comparison 6.5 mil vs. 36.7 mil /number of public/private colleges/unis.
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