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Old 03-05-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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Too bad a local architectural firm isn't spearheading these projects, but obviously a NYC-based firm probably has much expertise in TOD development. Hopefully, their work will inspire local architectural firms.

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/...s-for.html?m=1

Market Garden Brewery co-founder Sam McNulty apparently will help spear head the opposition to the development of this property, joining those who prefer the entire area remains greenspace. McNulty introduces the very important added concern that the property contains an important wetland used by migrating Monarch butterflies and warblers, both endangered species. If McNulty's claims are accurate, there may exist important legal hurdles to developing this parcel, although the Trump EPA and DeWine EPA may provide a nod to development over the destruction of an important wetland.

https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and...ain-greenspace

See post 3349 and subsequent posts. It's disturbing that Steve Litt made no mention of the McNulty's wetland claims in his article about the controversy surrounding this property. How could Litt have been unaware?

https://www.cleveland.com/expo/life-...even-litt.html

http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...sions-335.html

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Old 03-05-2019, 01:20 PM
 
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Post 3330 in a discussion of the competitive threat that the Shaker Hts. Van Aken District poses to Shaker Square:

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So far at least, the VAD restaurants seem to be catering to a different restaurant market than Shaker Square. Despite VAD retail being high end, the restaurant offerings are more like a mall food court, just without the national chains.

I don't see a lot of overlap between the $5-15 casual experience at VAD and the dedicated traditional sit-down restaurants in Shaker Square, which run across the entire price spectrum.
See post 14 in this thread.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...nt-news-2.html

Renown food critic Larry Olmsted says Banter, which opened its second restaurant in the VAD, offers one of the 10 best restaurant meals in the WORLD. Poutine offerings, including a chicken paprikash poutine with spaetzle, are culinary offerings which pose a serious alternative to Shaker Square restaurants.

Menu — Banter Cleveland

Banter also offers a Polish Boy, the proverbial "Cleveland" sandwich which actually isn't that easy to find on local restaurant menus.
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Old 03-05-2019, 05:21 PM
 
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Interesting

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/...cleveland.html
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Old 03-06-2019, 06:45 AM
 
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Post 3330 in a discussion of the competitive threat that the Shaker Hts. Van Aken District poses to Shaker Square:



See post 14 in this thread.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...nt-news-2.html

Renown food critic Larry Olmsted says Banter, which opened its second restaurant in the VAD, offers one of the 10 best restaurant meals in the WORLD. Poutine offerings, including a chicken paprikash poutine with spaetzle, are culinary offerings which pose a serious alternative to Shaker Square restaurants.

Menu — Banter Cleveland

Banter also offers a Polish Boy, the proverbial "Cleveland" sandwich which actually isn't that easy to find on local restaurant menus.
Banter is delicious, but it's still ultimately the same restaurant format as a mall food court. You order at the counter, get your own food, and go sit at seating shared with other restaurants. I just don't see it as filling the same niche as Shaker Square, other than that they all have good food. It's a totally different experience than dining at Fire or Balaton.

I know Banter is working on getting an alcohol license, though. I heard that their license will cover the entire communal portion of the Market Hall, meaning Craft Collective could get rid of their "no drinks past this point" sign.
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Old 03-06-2019, 07:10 AM
 
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On the topic of Shaker Square and VAD, the North Union Farmer's Market announced that the winter markets will be moved from Shaker Square to VAD. This is because the indoor space they usually use in the winter, next to Dewey's Coffee, has been leased. The summer markets will remain at Shaker Square. VAD also held its own outdoor markets in 2018 from time to time as well.

This might be a win-win, depending on who has leased the Shaker Square space.
The old Shaker Square farmer's market winter location is going to be occupied by the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center
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Old 03-06-2019, 08:18 AM
 
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Banter is delicious, but it's still ultimately the same restaurant format as a mall food court. You order at the counter, get your own food, and go sit at seating shared with other restaurants. I just don't see it as filling the same niche as Shaker Square, other than that they all have good food. It's a totally different experience than dining at Fire or Balaton.

I know Banter is working on getting an alcohol license, though. I heard that their license will cover the entire communal portion of the Market Hall, meaning Craft Collective could get rid of their "no drinks past this point" sign.
Good points. The reality is inescapable, however, that some diners will be pulled away from Shaker Square restaurants, especially for the first several years.

With readily available free parking, take-out business also could be significant in the Van Aken District.

Consider that food galleys are becoming popular across the U.S. See post 17 here for a description of the Ohio City Galley.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...nt-news-2.html

One reason that communal seating, serving several eateries, is becoming popular is because it enables a group of diners to select individually distinct culinary experiences and yet to dine together. In this way, communal seating may be more popular than individual restaurants, certainly at various times, and more certainly if the total cost of dining is lower and/or the value experience offered is better (no tipping?).

The absence of liquor certainly is a major competitive disadvantage for the Van Aken District until resolved. More convenient parking at the Van Aken District may be a competitive advantage, as already discussed.

My point in discussing Banter is that when one of the nation's leading food critics says a restaurant offers one of the 10 best restaurant meals in the world, it will be a draw, impacting competing restaurants. Consider the lines for Steve's Gyros at the West Side Market even though there is relatively NO seating.
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Old 03-07-2019, 04:18 AM
 
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More information regarding the future of tower city. Tech hub?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/article...leveland_c.amp
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Old 03-07-2019, 06:05 AM
 
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Default Land bridge, multi-modal transportation center could transform Cleveland's lakefront

All of this for only $65 million? I hope the city thinks big, as this could positively impact Cleveland as much as the Short North freeway cap on High Street transformed Columbus.

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/...e-has.html?m=1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa9NMPJ6Hjk

The I-670 cap cost only $7 million? Something seems wrong with this amount.

https://casestudies.uli.org/wp-conte...12/C035010.pdf

This is one of the most exciting projects that I've seen considered for downtown Cleveland. I'm very curious how the project would facilitate a Rock Hall expansion, a badly needed project IMO.
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Old 03-07-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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The old Shaker Square farmer's market winter location is going to be occupied by the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center

Seriously? I mean, I'm sure it's a good and needed organization, but this is not going to help revitalize Shaker Square. I am now planning on moving out of this area once my lease expires.....afraid things are going downhill......
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Old 03-07-2019, 12:38 PM
 
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Seriously? I mean, I'm sure it's a good and needed organization, but this is not going to help revitalize Shaker Square. I am now planning on moving out of this area once my lease expires.....afraid things are going downhill......
I have mixed feelings on it. It's a good location for such a service because it is centrally located and on multiple transit lines. I think it might have been better located in one of the 2nd floor offices with the other "service" type businesses (lawyers, dentists, etc.) -- or maybe outside of a mixed use business district and instead inside of a hospital or something? I'm sure they have good reasons for selecting this location that I just don't know about or understand. Maybe they intentionally want a storefront location like that for visibility, accessibility, and awareness?

I will miss the winter farmer's market and the craft fairs that were held in that spot. I also remember some other events being held there, which I did not attend, such as film and art showings.
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