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So ACT scores and GPA don't indicate how smart someone is? Yikes.
It's really simple from the study. Lower ACT and GPA means a lesser student which is what a CC attracts. Someone who generally isn't as prepared for a university.
You haven't provided anything about articles written by sites promoting the point. I gave the actual independent study and data. Find the actual study and not a sentence that could have been taken out of context and I'll pay it some attention.
exerts-" Race, class and gender biases give White, affluent, and male test-takers an unfair edge.
ACT scores are directly related to family income: the richer students' parents are, the higher are average scores"
"Moreover, boys score slightly higher than girls across all races, despite boys' lower grades in high school and college when matched for identical courses."
"Even the test-maker admits that high school grades predict first-year college grades better than ACT scores do. In fact, adding the ACT to the high school record does not significantly improve predictions,One study at Chicago State University confirmed this trend."
"According to ACT research, when all factors are equal, such as course work, grades and family income, Whites still outscore all other groups. If the ACT were not biased, Asian Americans, who take more academic courses than any other group, would likely score even higher. Moreover, boys score slightly higher than girls across all races, despite boys' lower grades in high school and college when matched for identical courses."
exerts-" Race, class and gender biases give White, affluent, and male test-takers an unfair edge.
ACT scores are directly related to family income: the richer students' parents are, the higher are average scores"
"Moreover, boys score slightly higher than girls across all races, despite boys' lower grades in high school and college when matched for identical courses."
"Even the test-maker admits that high school grades predict first-year college grades better than ACT scores do. In fact, adding the ACT to the high school record does not significantly improve predictions,One study at Chicago State University confirmed this trend."
"According to ACT research, when all factors are equal, such as course work, grades and family income, Whites still outscore all other groups. If the ACT were not biased, Asian Americans, who take more academic courses than any other group, would likely score even higher. Moreover, boys score slightly higher than girls across all races, despite boys' lower grades in high school and college when matched for identical courses."
Speak for yourself. EVERYONE'S SITUATION IS DIFFERENT!
Okay. As I mentioned in a previous post, there are unique situations where people have children or other obligations that make community schools more accessible than others.
However, in most case, this is true. The numbers have been thrown around here. Grants, Scholarships and Financial Aid are all better at 4-year colleges.
I assume your logic is the kid out of HS who has done well is going to get grants/scholarships to attend a university while the kid who goes to CC is doing so because their grades and tests scores were not going to get them much grant/scholarship money?
Doing well in school is a given. But having access to financial aid if needed as well. Financial aid packages for community colleges are not comparable to what's available for 4-year schools.... especially private schools.
Still doesn't do anything to disprove that the average student body at a CC is of lesser quality than that at a four year school.
There is nothing wrong with going to a CC for two years and then a university. Those kids don't make up all of the CC student body though.
But you can't really compare the entire student body of a CC to The student body of a 4-year school, as not all students at a CC are there for the same reason, a more accurate comparison would be to compare CC students who are planning to continue their education, or enter one of the harder programs.
another problem is that your statistics only pertain to CC students who are straight from high school, when in fact a number of CC students are older, 46% percent of CC students are over the age of 25, and since CC do not require SAT or ACT scores and do not track that information you have no scientific proof that there is a lesser quality of student overall. And even the remaining 54% are not all students straight out of HS. It is a very small subset of data, based off of IL seniors who became freshman at CC.
It's too small of a data point to make the generalization that CC students are not as smart as 4-year college students.
Okay. As I mentioned in a previous post, there are unique situations where people have children or other obligations that make community schools more accessible than others.
However, in most case, this is true. The numbers have been thrown around here. Grants, Scholarships and Financial Aid are all better at 4-year colleges.
Not in all cases. The University of Colorado gives out little non need-based financial aid, especially direct grants and scholarships. You can get student loans at a CC as well as at a 4 year college.
I would agree that a student should look into what fin. aid is available to him/her before making a decision that s/he can't afford a particular college.
Not in all cases. The University of Colorado gives out little non need-based financial aid, especially direct grants and scholarships. You can get student loans at a CC as well as at a 4 year college.
I would agree that a student should look into what fin. aid is available to him/her before making a decision that s/he can't afford a particular college.
Why would you go to a school that doesn't have good financial aid and scholarship options? These students have so many options for school, as long as they don't have responsibilities that tie them to being near home (such as family responsibilities). Private schools often have generous merit-based grants and scholarships.
Financial Aid for CC only covers tuition, and possibly books. While Financial Aid at a 4-year school covers room & boarding as well. In most cases, one would be able to get scholarships, (need and non need) grants to cover a good chunk of those expenses.
I don't see financials being a reason to go to CC for these students.
Our eldest went straight off to a 4 year while my youngest attended CC. They could have done it either way but their personalities drove the decision. Neither qualified for grants, scholarships, etc. We paid full price for both. The biggest issue was the cost of housing. Child 1 had to rent the whole time while child 2 is living at home. Big money saver right there.
Why would you go to a school that doesn't have good financial aid and scholarship options? These students have so many options for school, as long as they don't have responsibilities that tie them to being near home (such as family responsibilities). Private schools often have generous merit-based grants and scholarships.
Financial Aid for CC only covers tuition, and possibly books. While Financial Aid at a 4-year school covers room & boarding as well. In most cases, one would be able to get scholarships, (need and non need) grants to cover a good chunk of those expenses.
I don't see financials being a reason to go to CC for these students.
Why would you go to a school that doesn't have good fin. aid and scholarship options? Perhaps the school has a major you really want to pursue.
Could you provide some documentation that you can't get student loans to go to a CC that includes living expenses?
Why would you go to a school that doesn't have good fin. aid and scholarship options? Perhaps the school has a major you really want to pursue.
Could you provide some documentation that you can't get student loans to go to a CC that includes living expenses?
I've never heard of a CC offering living expenses. The point of the CC, in fact the first "C" is "community", meaning most people already live in the area and that's why they go there. No housing costs. CC's aren't residential so there is no need.
But I agree that you go where they have the program you want to persue. Sometimes that makes it necessary to move somewhere else and not stay local.
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