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perhaps one should have a definition of what exactly is STEM and what exactly is LA before going any further, a definition that everyone agrees on. For myself I really don't see much merit in arguing/debating something when both sides cannot even agree on what exactly the "something" is.
What subjects fall under the Liberal Arts branch, what subjects fall under STEM, are any subjects mutually exclusive to both STEM and LA?
Or perhaps the greater problem is not everyone will come to the point of "A,b,c, are Liberal Arts and d,e,f are STEM"? Will there always be, "well at my University A was considered a STEM degree"?
The search was obviously constructed to come up with no results. Well, not obvious to everyone I guess. Looks like some people are new to internet humor.
It's hard to tell if someone is joking because there are many people on the internet who are that stupid.
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No, it's not really debatable at all whether CS falls into Science or Technology. Computer Science falls into Mathematics. The actual computer is no more important to computer science than an actual compass and straight-edge are important to Euclidian plane geometry. So it is under the umbrella of the Liberal Arts.
There are programs called Computer Science and Engineering; if they are accredited, they have to meet BOTH the requirements for Computer Science and those for Computer Engineering, so they're a hybrid degree, part Liberal Arts, part Engineering.
There is more to computer science than mathematics. Physics is very math-heavy, but it's not mathematics.
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perhaps one should have a definition of what exactly is STEM and what exactly is LA before going any further, a definition that everyone agrees on. For myself I really don't see much merit in arguing/debating something when both sides cannot even agree on what exactly the "something" is.
What subjects fall under the Liberal Arts branch, what subjects fall under STEM, are any subjects mutually exclusive to both STEM and LA?
Or perhaps the greater problem is not everyone will come to the point of "A,b,c, are Liberal Arts and d,e,f are STEM"? Will there always be, "well at my University A was considered a STEM degree"?
The definitions are simple. STEM is simply science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. "Liberal arts," which is a term that has been around much longer than STEM, has included the sciences and mathematics for thousands of years. STEM and liberal arts are not meant to be mutually exclusively; some people have just twisted the terms so that they are. The STEM acronym is just a way to promote subjects with perceived shortages of qualified workers.
It's hard to tell if someone is joking because there are many people on the internet who are that stupid.
There is more to computer science than mathematics. Physics is very math-heavy, but it's not mathematics.
The definitions are simple. STEM is simply science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. "Liberal arts," which is a term that has been around much longer than STEM, has included the sciences and mathematics for thousands of years. STEM and liberal arts are not meant to be mutually exclusively; some people have just twisted the terms so that they are. The STEM acronym is just a way to promote subjects with perceived shortages of qualified workers.
No, it's not really debatable at all whether CS falls into Science or Technology. Computer Science falls into Mathematics. The actual computer is no more important to computer science than an actual compass and straight-edge are important to Euclidian plane geometry. So it is under the umbrella of the Liberal Arts.
There are programs called Computer Science and Engineering; if they are accredited, they have to meet BOTH the requirements for Computer Science and those for Computer Engineering, so they're a hybrid degree, part Liberal Arts, part Engineering.
It's not debatable? That is absurd.
Computer programming did grow out of mathematics in the early days because computers were used to speed computation. That was their original purpose - driven by defense needs to calculate the trajectory of weapons. That's why in many universities "computer science" is part of the same department that includes math (often the science department).
But in many universities computer science is part of the college of engineering.
Only a historian would consider computer science a liberal arts field.
What subjects fall under the Liberal Arts branch, what subjects fall under STEM, are any subjects mutually exclusive to both STEM and LA?
It is obvious that, in common parlance, most people equate liberal arts with the humanities. Or they put them in the same category of "arts and humanities."
Science and math are more closely associated with engineering and technology. They used to be called engineering and the hard sciences. Hence, a reason the STEM acronym has caught on.
Maths, Chem, Phys, Astro, Bio, Genetics in the College of Sciences
Art, Music, Humanities, English, Foreign language, Phil, in the College of Arts
Biz, accounting, fin, mgmt in college of business
med, nursing in college of med
engineering in college of engineering
Let's take a look at major/concentration offerings at Williams, which is strictly a liberal arts college.
African Studies - Concentration
American Studies - Major
Anthropology - Major
Arabic Studies - Major
Art (History, Studio) - Major
Asian American Studies - More information
Asian Studies - Major Astronomy/Astrophysics - Major Biochemistry & Molecular Biology - Concentration Bioinformatics, Genomics & Proteomics - More information Biology - Major Chemistry - Major
Chinese - Major
Classics (Greek & Latin) - Major Cognitive Science - Concentration
Comparative Literature - Major Computer Science - Major
Critical Languages - More information
Dance - More information
Economics - Major
English - Major
Environmental Policy - Major Environmental Science - Major
Environmental Studies - Concentration
Experiential Learning - More information
French - Major Geosciences - Major
German - Major
History - Major
History of Science - More information
International Studies - Concentration
Italian - More information
Japanese - Major
Jewish Studies - Concentration
Justice and Law - Concentration
Latina/o Studies - Concentration
Leadership Studies - Concentration
Maritime Studies - Concentration Materials Science Studies - More information Math - Major
Music - Major Neuroscience - Concentration
Performance Studies - More information
Philosophy - Major
Physical Education - More information Physics - Major
Political Economy - Major
Political Science - Major
Program in Teaching - More information
Psychology - Major
Public Health - Concentration
Religion - Major
Russian - Major
Science & Technology Studies - Concentration
Sociology - Major
Spanish - Major Statistics - Major
Theatre - Major
Women's, Gender, & Sexuality Studies - Major
It is obvious that, in common parlance, most people equate liberal arts with the humanities. Or they put them in the same category of "arts and humanities."
Science and math are more closely associated with engineering and technology. They used to be called engineering and the hard sciences. Hence, a reason the STEM acronym has caught on.
Then, where do the social sciences fall because those aren't humanities?
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