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Well, with your attitude, it's hard to imagine you have any future in this field, for starters, you don't even know what's the really important in CS.
These "extra stuff" are exactly the kind of stuff you need if you wanna have any future in this field. If you don't understand it, you won't even be able to comprehend the interview problems from big companies.
Your theory sucks.
Thanks for being rude though, I appreciate it.
You don't HAVE TOO have a degree in bach of science to get a good job. I don't want to work for somebody else my whole life, slaving away my life I want to set up my own company. I like to play by my own rules.
Now if anybody would like to give me any real advice go on.
Your theory sucks.
Thanks for being rude though, I appreciate it.
You don't HAVE TOO have a degree in bach of science to get a good job. I don't want to work for somebody else my whole life, slaving away my life I want to set up my own company. I like to play by my own rules.
Now if anybody would like to give me any real advice go on.
He is partially right though, I could see many jobs you are going to bomb the interview for. Just being honest. What positions do you want? Is there a limit of advancement?
I'll say it once again, you are going to be stifled at some point if you don't understand the advanced math and abstract applications, which is what computation is all about. Math and algorithms with use of formal languages to break down computations and solve real issues.
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What you are probably setting yourself up for is a job in a helpdesk role being stifled, especially given the direction the market is trending. There is still good pay to be had out there, but job security is here or there unless you join the military or work a clearance job.
Just trying to help you out, so you don't come to that reality for yourself later on. It would be better to put a little more work in now for a better outcome later. If you ever hope to get beyond entry level work you are going to need this stuff... now whether you learn it after getting in, or not, I wouldn't be so certain you don't need it, or if it is too hard. If it is too hard, you won't last long, or won't get the job in the first place if you are interviewing with a good hiring manager.
Also, just my personal experience, as I have worked in tandem with said hiring managers going over interviews, the companies I worked for didn't give much weight to certifications and tech school degrees. What they wanted were real 4 year degrees, and/or equivalent work experience in said role. Paper MCSE's and tech school grads in non rigorous schools are a dime a dozen and never got the good jobs. That take a cert get a job thing ended about 10 years ago, but many sites and schools still promote it.
Your theory sucks.
Thanks for being rude though, I appreciate it.
You don't HAVE TOO have a degree in bach of science to get a good job. I don't want to work for somebody else my whole life, slaving away my life I want to set up my own company. I like to play by my own rules.
Now if anybody would like to give me any real advice go on.
You might not like how eastfoodnoodle has said it, but he's pretty much correct. You're looking at it from a short-term "I don't need chem and calculus" perspective, yet completely ignoring the long-term perspective. I currently work for an IT company as an attorney (although I'm very much in tune with how it hires technical personnel) and it is getting bombarded with resumes from people with bachelor's, master's and even doctorates from top schools right now for menial positions. To be blunt, a resume that doesn't include a B.S. degree will be thrown immediately in the trash. You have to consider who you're competing against for jobs - there are a whole lot of people looking for work with a lot more education than what you seem to be willing to commit to completing. To say it doesn't matter is short-sighted and simply incorrect thinking.
At the same time, since you said that you want to set up your own company, I find it interesting that you think that getting a B.S. will be "too hard" for you. Don't you realize that starting your own company is exponentially more difficult than getting a B.S. degree??? If you don't have the work ethic to complete a B.S. degree, then there's no way that you're going to be handle the literally 24/7 nature of running your own business.
Plus, even if you did start your own company, any prospective client is going to ask for your qualifications and resume. Such prospective client is almost certainly going to have options between choosing your company or another company that's run by people with numerous high level degrees. Who the heck do you think that prospective client is going to choose???
I'm not trying to be negative - I just urge you to be very realistic. It's not as if though there's a shortage in the marketplace of the IT skills that you're seeking, so don't be foolish into thinking that doing the bare minimum will be anywhere near enough to get any type of job. There are a ton of IT people with multiple degrees looking for work right now, so you need to put yourself into the most competitive position possible. I would not recommend going out there with anything less than a bachelor's degree if you want anything more than a help desk position.
Neither one is a career path... I don't see anything WRONG with either one, except the jobs listed below them do not really go with that degree, unless you prove yourself capable in the field. What we are all saying is either way you get it, from a bs cs, or learning in the field and studying on your own, you are going to have to learn the same concepts. There is no *short way*
I think either one of those could get your foot in the door at a company and you can work your way up if you are good. IT isn't like many industries, you have to prove your worth. They aren't going to just let you sit around if you can't produce (at least with the hire paying roles outside a noc/helpdesk/support/it specialist role)
I understand what you guys are saying but these BCIT programs cut out all the hard classes.. I struggled in high school in both math & chem.
I am willing to work my ass off to prove that I am worthy later on, I'm not a lazy ass.
I am really leaning towards becoming a data admin since its one of the higher paying jobs.
As a hiring manager when the need arises, I can say that unless you are looking to work in a retail store doing hardware repair-- for which you will need at least an A+ certification-- you will need a Bachelor's degree to be hired as a computer professional in an organization, especially in today's economy.
You might find a smaller company in which you can be a jack-of-all-trades computer support person but even those jobs will require skills that go much deeper than the superficial level skills that are offered by a lot of these "diploma" programs. Many of them barely scratch the surface of the underlying technology involved and simply give you the typical fixes for common hardware and software problems. Once you are thrown into a live environment, you need to be able to solve things quickly and effectively and not wash your hands of it once you hit a wall.
If you desire a career in IT you will have to buckle down and force yourself to complete the "hard classes" and get yourself a degree. Accomplishing that goal will demonstrate to yourself that you have the ability to overcome what seems like an immovable mountain if you apply yourself and not throw in the towel.
The idea that you would sidestep difficult classes in order to obtain a credential in technology is unbelievable to me. I would be very concerned if I employed someone with that line of thinking. What happens when a relatively easy problem becomes very difficult. Will you walk away from that problem because it's too hard?
I won't say that you are lazy. I just think you are misguided if you believe that a certificate from a tech institute is sufficient to obtain a position in IT.
I wish you good luck in whatever you choose and while you may think I am raining on your parade or being harsh, that is not the intent. I just think before you open your checkbook for any classes you should be fully aware of the limited utility of a certificate/diploma from a technical institute.
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The diploma program is 2 years, after that I can work towards a bachelors degree.
I wouldn't even looked at this program if it wasn't a degree program.
Well if you can use those credits towards another accredited university in the future, get your foot in IT, then go from there, that might be a better plan. If you want to move up though you'll have to prove it somehow.
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