06-15-2010, 10:28 PM
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As renters, my husband and I have never had a problem. Since my husband is in the military renting has been ideal and has given us flexibility to stay in one place for a couple of years and then move on to the next assignment. We've rented both apartments and homes and are currently renting our third single family home.
Recently, we've encountered a situation we never thought would happen. The last year we've been renting from a young military couple and thought everything was okay. The home was a newer one, built in 2006. We were within a month of signing a new lease (our one year lease was going to expire) and so we were expecting to sign either another one year or even two year lease.
A couple of days ago we were hit with a bombshell. The couple was reluctant to disclose their future plans to our property manager until we pushed and they revealed that the husband was being reassigned to the local area and intended to take possession of the property. We were really shocked by this because we had been under the impression that his current tour would last a couple of years. Apparently not.
These people strung us along for a week (along with our property manager). We were pretty much in limbo... hoping we wouldn't have to move and sensing that that wasn't going to happen. After about a week, our property manager gave us the bad news that they intended to come back to live in the property we currently lived in. We would only have about 30 days, which is routine notice in leases, to find a new rental property.
On top of all that, this couple scheduled a time to drop by the property, with the property manager, to make sure that we hadn't destroyed their "home." I found the visit really insulting because we've been diligent tenants for YEARS. We're a couple in our 30's and my husband is a field grade officer so we've always taken it upon ourselves to maintain any property we rent. Another reason I found this couple's expectation so insulting is that we made numerous improvements to the property such as putting in new ceiling fans, new blinds, and bringing back their lawn from the dead.
I "sensed" that we were going to have trouble with this couple because the wife was not one bit cooperative or happy to see us as tenants. Add to that, this couple's lack of consideration, communication, and common sense and you have the making of a horrible landlord. The whole experience has been surreal for both my husband and I and our property manager who was taken aback. However, it only got more surreal when, after the visit, our property manager left us a voice message revealing that the couple would let us stay in the home if we paid about $300 more in rent or, even, bought the property! Apparently, these people previously tried to sell the property without success and then decided to rent it for $1,295/month which really didn't cover their $1,650/ month mortgage (really high for this area).
I feel betrayed. I am physically and emotionally exhausted. My husband and I will have to shell out thousands of dollars to move our stuff to a new property. Factor in that we'll have to shell out another deposit for our two dogs and new rental property and first month's rent, and perhaps still paying at least prorated rent on the current property we're living in. Unbeknowst to many, the military will not cover your moving expenses if you have to move from a property after an initial PCS move, even if it isn't initiated by the military tenant but by the landlord. I would like that changed. We were good tenants who didn't destroy the property and if we had been given an accurate picture of the situation, we would never have signed a lease on this property.
The only saving grace in this situation is that our current property manager is helping us find a new home. Apparently, we've discovered that this couple is in serious financial trouble, cannot afford their mortgage, even with us paying for most of it. My husband and I have been saving for a house for YEARS and planned on possibly buying after he retires from the military. Unlike many military couples like this one, we do not feel comfortable buying a home until we know where we're going in life. Such concerns, I guess, never dawned on the young couple we rented from, who seem not to possess financial management skills, and still can even find somebody to loan them the money to buy a brand new Volvo sedan (this guy is just a 2nd lieutenant and his wife is a teacher and they don't make THAT much).
Needless to say, this whole nightmare has been a learning experience. Some things I've learned the hard way:
1. Never rent a newer/younger property unless you know the whole financial picture (whether the owners are upside down in their mortgage like our landlords are).
2. Do your homework. Look up public assessor records and ask more questions to determine the financial suitability of the landlord.
3. Trust your gut. I had initial concerns about the wife who was nothing but rude, uncooperative and sullen when my husband and I moved in.
4. Do not make any improvements to a property if you don't know whether you're staying for an extended period of time.
On another note, some people assert that the whole renting experience is a two way street between renter and landlord. This experience has revealed that this is not necessarily the case. I find it hypocritical that renters have to disclose their financial suitability but the landlord never does the same. I think that should be changed for the piece of mind of both parties.
My husband and I have always taken rental leases to base legal services. We'll be doing it again, but this time I want to consult the JAG on whether or not we can get military policy changed to reflect what is, in my opinion, a very volatile housing market and unfair playing field for military and civilian renters.
I hope my story can educate others not to do what my husband and I did. I don't want any upstanding, conscientious renter/tenant to go through what we did. Right now, my husband and I just want to get out of this hellish situation and away from this inconsiderate, selfish couple (who are a disgrace to the military). We've always rented from other military couples and now, I just don't know if I can ever trust another military couple, especially one in their 20's, until proven otherwise. Plus, the fact that these sorry leeches took advantage and didn't even give us more than 30 days to move really makes both of us angry. If this couple is the standard of what passes for the average military couple, than the military as a whole is in serious trouble.
I'm sorry, but I won't stay on a property at any price when my trust has been destroyed and I've been used to float a couple who do not possess the financial management skills or self-discipline to own a home in the first place.
My husband and I will try to rent more wisely the next time.
06-15-2010, 10:38 PM
Location: Just south of Denver since 1989
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Wow, what utter nonsense. You rented for a disclosed term. The property manager did not give you an answer because she did not have one for you. It's over you have an option to pay more to stay or leave.
Get over yourself. The owner is entitled to make a visit to their property.
If you don't like it, buy something and live there.
06-15-2010, 11:01 PM
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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I'm sorry they have not extended your lease. Moving is not fun when it's not your choice.
All that said, let's be fair - understand that when renting, the landlord has no obligation to extend the lease beyond the term of the lease - nor do you. Had you wanted to move at the end of your lease, you would have been free to do so - even if the landlord wanted you to stay. (Hey, that's why they call it, renting!)
Try to look at it from the landlord's side. When a landlord rents to a military tenant, the tenant may break the lease if deployed. So the value of the lease is greatly diminished to the landlord. The landlord's lease is at the whim of Uncle Sam... and there is nothing he (the landlord) can do about it. Nevertheless, that's the risk a landlord takes when leasing to the military.
It sounds like the owner was moving back to town and wanted his/her house back. In accordance with the lease, the landlord gave you correct notice of his/her intensions to terminate the lease at it's expiration (rather than renewing the term or defaulting to a month to month).
They offered you an option to stay for a higher rent or to buy the house. I don't blame you for not accepting the offers but why the hard feelings?
Bluntly, what would you rather they do? Should they be expected to rent an apartment and renew your lease at the same rate ... all so that you don't have to move? I wouldn't do that.
I wonder if the situtation was reversed what would you do?
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People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)