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Old 07-04-2013, 11:09 PM
 
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Democratically elected, but governed undemocratically.
No; we have a military coup ;TV station taken off air ;
president arrest as well as roundup of his party members based on nothing; Reporters say it hard to make a telephone call; Constitution suspended by military meaning its military rule with appoint governor. Real democratic progress there and certainly a signal to Islamist that democracy does not work for them even if they win in democratic election held to be fair.The maddening crowd rules and I am u sure it not loss on other Islamist. Even the aid agreement with military by US was that they would not interfere with democratically elected civilian government .Actually the president won by a larger margin than any recent US president. Some just do not really seem to understand what Democracy means ; that Egypt no longer a Democracy; plain and simple.
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Old 07-05-2013, 05:32 AM
 
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US is between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, the government was elected democratically, but was unpopular among well-organized minorities who managed to force the military to take over in the interests of preserving political and economic (but not social) stability. On the other hand, the government was turning in the direction of a religious state, whose fringe elements the US does not like. So, the administration ends up making mildly-anti coup statements, but is not so secretly praying for a moderate, non-secular, government to be elected. So, I guess our "grey" foreign policy will be to try to spread "moderation", as it was in Eastern Europe (mainly the Balkans) after '89 under the heading of "Americanization". You can be sure the CIA guys in the US embassy in Cairo are working overtime

Is Turkey next?
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:23 AM
 
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No; we have a military coup ;TV station taken off air ;
president arrest as well as roundup of his party members based on nothing; Reporters say it hard to make a telephone call; Constitution suspended by military meaning its military rule with appoint governor. Real democratic progress there and certainly a signal to Islamist that democracy does not work for them even if they win in democratic election held to be fair.The maddening crowd rules and I am u sure it not loss on other Islamist. Even the aid agreement with military by US was that they would not interfere with democratically elected civilian government .Actually the president won by a larger margin than any recent US president. Some just do not really seem to understand what Democracy means ; that Egypt no longer a Democracy; plain and simple.
What an odd post - Egypt has never been a "Democracy", they had one election and the winner of that election broke almost all his promises, while he tried to impose his hard-line Islamist agenda. What exactly was the Army supposed to do with over 30 Million people in the streets demanding a "change". It's not like everyone did not realize this was coming - these groups started forming and gathering signatures on petitions in late November of 2012 - right after Morsi declared he was above all Law and Judiciary in Egypt. The economic situation is very horrible, crime is rampant, tourists won't come, there is no petrol and constant power outages because the Government can't pay it's bills. The Constitution is "suspended" because it was written By the Muslim Brothers FOR the Muslim Brother's agenda .... the people do not want this Constitution, it's part of why they rose up against the Morsi Presidency.

The Morsi response was to get angry and refuse "change". This is more Revolution than Military coup, the Military is a referee at this point - if they had wanted to rule, they could have done that when Mubarak was removed.

Egypt’s anti-Islamist uprising: How did it come to this?

AND ....... the Morsi response

Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood’s Uncertain Future in Egypt

Who would have ever thought that the Nour Party (Salafist) would be smarter than the Muslim Brothers? Nour has joined in the newly forming organization, the Brothers are promising blood in the streets.
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Old 07-05-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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US is between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, the government was elected democratically, but was unpopular among well-organized minorities who managed to force the military to take over in the interests of preserving political and economic (but not social) stability. On the other hand, the government was turning in the direction of a religious state, whose fringe elements the US does not like. So, the administration ends up making mildly-anti coup statements, but is not so secretly praying for a moderate, non-secular, government to be elected. So, I guess our "grey" foreign policy will be to try to spread "moderation", as it was in Eastern Europe (mainly the Balkans) after '89 under the heading of "Americanization". You can be sure the CIA guys in the US embassy in Cairo are working overtime

Is Turkey next?
It worse that that. the aid to the Egyptian military is tied to agreement where they would not move into civil rules has they have done. It means unless Obama wants to be seen a favoring non-elected outcomes and democracy at the ballot box they will lose that funding. Certainly no western democracy can defend what has been done and in fact there is a lot of criticism being aimed at the military now. Its ties Obamas hands really in that he can't actually do much to support from now onward. We already see the results in the streets and their arresting elected leaders is nothing short of political prisoner taking. I would say that economic stability is helped by forcibly removing the elected heads of government especially has Egypt needs foreign investment badly and of course Islamist makeup a large portion of the workforce. its a nation devided with democratic base to rule ;so its faction against faction in the streets as so common in middle east. Its certainly not good when Obama and the west are trying to get Islamist to come to the table and join in democracy and the ballot box instead of what we see now so often. Return to conflict same as always has been in middle east and suppress those not in power.
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