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Old 04-16-2014, 01:38 PM
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There is no changing our minds that pitbulls are wonderful dogs and there is no changing your mind that they are the devil incarnate. It's unfortunate that due to irresponsible owners - primarily drug dealers in low income areas that used these dogs as a deterrant or rich basketball players that used them for fighting- that these dogs have the reputation as being vicious.

Any dog can become vicious if not trained, loved and taken care of. The first thing that you're told as a child is stay away from strange people and animals and if a dog approaches you - stand still. Why did the witnesses' not do something - call 911 - distract the dog. All dogs are suppose to be licensed - obviously, who ever owns these dogs are not taking care of them and the neighbors aren't doing anyone any good by not calling the humane society to have them picked up if they are causing trouble.
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Old 04-16-2014, 01:56 PM
 
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Any dog can become vicious if not trained, loved and taken care of.
But only certain types of dogs have the physical ability and mindset to quickly rip off limbs and tear apart an adult at the drop of a hat.

Please refer to the story (and photo) in my previous post where it took 3 adult men to pull a pitbull off a woman who nearly had her arm torn off and her chest opened up.
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:25 PM
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Actually as far as the physical ability - the American Pit Bull Terrier is #8 on the list of 10 strongest dogs. As far as mindset - that is taught by the handler or owner - they are not predisposed to attacking.

There are well over 40,000 "pit bulls" living in the US.
the number of "pit bulls" who attack people is less than 20.

And I really don't have to read your story - I know for a fact how tough it is to get a dog to release when they don't want to. It took myself, a vet and a vet tech to get a miniature pincher to release it's hold on my golden retriever during one of our vet visits. TG, my golden had not been shaved for the summer yet or it's wounds would have been much worse.
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Old 04-16-2014, 06:24 PM
 
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Oh boy, did you not read the story you posted?
Nothing about all the crap you posted.
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Old 04-17-2014, 11:06 AM
 
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Nothing about all the crap you posted.
It's like talking to Homer Simpson.

Me: The dog is vicious and chased after the kid. The kid ran because he was in danger.

You: No way! You're lying! NO facts behind that.

Me: It says so in the article you posted.

You: What you said is crap. Nothing about all the crap you posted.

Cycle repeat.
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Old 04-17-2014, 11:13 AM
 
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And I really don't have to read your story - I know for a fact how tough it is to get a dog to release when they don't want to. It took myself, a vet and a vet tech to get a miniature pincher to release it's hold on my golden retriever during one of our vet visits. TG, my golden had not been shaved for the summer yet or it's wounds would have been much worse.
Exactly! if a miniature pincher can be this tough imagine if it had been a Pit Bull!

When a Pit does attack it tends to inflict more damage than a miniature pincher just because of its size and strength. And the fact that an animal can cause this much damage is reason enough to treat it different than say, a Pom.

That's common sense isn't it? Why are the Pit defenders so adamant on ignoring common sense? Why say things like, Pit is no different than a Pom?
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Old 04-17-2014, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Actually as far as the physical ability - the American Pit Bull Terrier is #8 on the list of 10 strongest dogs. As far as mindset - that is taught by the handler or owner - they are not predisposed to attacking.

There are well over 40,000 "pit bulls" living in the US.
the number of "pit bulls" who attack people is less than 20.

And I really don't have to read your story - I know for a fact how tough it is to get a dog to release when they don't want to. It took myself, a vet and a vet tech to get a miniature pincher to release it's hold on my golden retriever during one of our vet visits. TG, my golden had not been shaved for the summer yet or it's wounds would have been much worse.
Really? I seriously doubt that. Where do you get your facts? I read about one weekly here in Florida.
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Old 04-17-2014, 12:20 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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Exactly! if a miniature pincher can be this tough imagine if it had been a Pit Bull!

When a Pit does attack it tends to inflict more damage than a miniature pincher just because of its size and strength. And the fact that an animal can cause this much damage is reason enough to treat it different than say, a Pom.

That's common sense isn't it? Why are the Pit defenders so adamant on ignoring common sense? Why say things like, Pit is no different than a Pom?
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and I have an 11 lb pom x chihuahua who is the biggest bully out of my pack of five dogs.... sure he has a small head and small jaws and small teeth, but I would trust (most) pit bulls over him any day of the week....
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Old 04-17-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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It's like talking to Homer Simpson.

Me: The dog is vicious and chased after the kid. The kid ran because he was in danger.

You: No way! You're lying! NO facts behind that.

Me: It says so in the article you posted.

You: What you said is crap. Nothing about all the crap you posted.

Cycle repeat.
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Well not exactly. The article never said the dog was vicious or the kid was in danger. It said a dog was chasing a boy.

I have seen dogs chase kids. I have been chased by dogs as a kid, mostly Chihuahuas running in packs trying to chew me in half at the ankles. And I have known kids (and adults) with an unnatural fear of dogs.

Personally, my dogs, if it runs dog will chase. This includes the kids, the cats, the goats, the ducks. In no way is it an exercise in viciousness or danger.

Kind of like when a cop spy's a suspicious person and goes towards that person in a hurried manner, said person begins to run, cop runs faster and eventually catches said person. Person claims "I didn't do anything, why were you chasing me" cop says because you were running, asks why did you run from me? Person reply's because you were chasing me.

Now I don't know what happened but I did not read in the article that the dog was vicious or the kid in danger of being attacked. Perhaps I overlooked that "fact".
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Old 04-17-2014, 01:21 PM
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Exactly! if a miniature pincher can be this tough imagine if it had been a Pit Bull!

When a Pit does attack it tends to inflict more damage than a miniature pincher just because of its size and strength. And the fact that an animal can cause this much damage is reason enough to treat it different than say, a Pom.

That's common sense isn't it? Why are the Pit defenders so adamant on ignoring common sense? Why say things like, Pit is no different than a Pom?
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So then why not treat any dog with superior strength like Dobs, Rotts, St. Bernards, Shepherd, Newfoundlands, Bulldogs, Boxers the way Pits are treated.

As I said - you are dead set against them and nothing will change your mind just like anti-gun lobbyists and ACA supporters. We're going to agree to disagree. You have a far better chance of being attacked or killed by a human than you do a dog but this threatens you more for some reason. I don't get it - but that's your view and I'll respect that. Time to put this thread to rest - as pitbull lovers are not going to makea difference with this crew.
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