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Old 05-23-2014, 10:07 AM
 
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Criminal negligence if he didn't know. Assault in the first degree if he knew.


OTOH, driving under the influence should not be a misdemeanor. Since she lost her eyeball, she has been punished quite enough. He still needs prison. They didn't release the video to the public, which would have made it much easier. But if she is on the ground with her hands behind her back, she can't be resisting that much. Using any additional force, even regular pepper spray at that point, would have been grounds for punishment. Shooting her in the eyeball with a pepper spray GUN (400mph + uses gun powder = a gun) is not acceptable.
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Old 05-23-2014, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Sinkholeville
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Normal 10% LEO pepper spray does NOT do that. The JPX pistol fires a high velocity pepper projectile, which is 405 ft per sec, and is NOT a normal restraint tool!

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Criminal negligence if he didn't know. Assault in the first degree if he knew.

Was he certified to use that weapon in that manner? Was he shot in the eyes within 5 feet?

If so, he needs to be held responsible for his misbehavior.

If not, he still needs to be held responsible, but so does his agency if they authorized him to carry that weapon without proper training.

He needs to prove that he can take exactly what he dishes out; he needs to be shot in the eye with an identical device and at the same range in full view of a judge and jury, and then explain why it was an appropriate use of force.

That device will soon be off the market, IMHO. It's not the normal OC spray which is actually designed to be sprayed in the eyes at grappling range.
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Old 05-25-2014, 07:40 AM
 
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I never heard of the jpx pepper spray weapon. On a very rare occasion I use pepper spray on my job (mailman), about twice in 20 years, but it is mild and causes only temporary discomfort. This sounds like a quite dangerous weapon.
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Old 05-25-2014, 10:38 AM
 
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I never heard of the jpx pepper spray weapon. On a very rare occasion I use pepper spray on my job (mailman), about twice in 20 years, but it is mild and causes only temporary discomfort. This sounds like a quite dangerous weapon.
I'm sorry. I've worked in dangerous jobs before. I get a good laugh though out of imagining the situations that would force you to pepper spray someone delivering mail. Was it an animal? Was it a person that wanted to hold your responsible for them getting junk mail? Perhaps someone demanding you explain why their child doesn't write more often?
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Old 05-25-2014, 11:40 AM
 
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Only one sentence is appropriate: death.
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Old 05-25-2014, 03:20 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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I'm sorry. I've worked in dangerous jobs before. I get a good laugh though out of imagining the situations that would force you to pepper spray someone delivering mail. Was it an animal? Was it a person that wanted to hold your responsible for them getting junk mail? Perhaps someone demanding you explain why their child doesn't write more often?
READ Kanhawks post AGAIN, he said was a mailman which if you think about that, then it would have been a DOG!! Duh, Did you not understand his meaning??
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Old 05-25-2014, 04:04 PM
 
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I'm sorry. I've worked in dangerous jobs before. I get a good laugh though out of imagining the situations that would force you to pepper spray someone delivering mail. Was it an animal? Was it a person that wanted to hold your responsible for them getting junk mail? Perhaps someone demanding you explain why their child doesn't write more often?
I have only sprayed aggressive dogs that were in attack mode, not humans. Even then, the pepper spray was only a minor irritant that backed the dogs off. This weapon appears to be something much more dangerous, more like for riot control.
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Old 05-25-2014, 05:31 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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I have only sprayed aggressive dogs that were in attack mode, not humans. Even then, the pepper spray was only a minor irritant that backed the dogs off. This weapon appears to be something much more dangerous, more like for riot control.
At a velocity of 400 ft per second, I would say lethal if close enough.
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Old 05-25-2014, 05:35 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Use of weapons against non violent protestors is a bad idea always
The police need to rethink this
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Old 05-25-2014, 05:38 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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Use of weapons against non violent protestors is a bad idea always
The police need to rethink this
Agreed, but then history will prove to us that cops HATE to be outnumbered, no matter what the intent.
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