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Old 05-22-2014, 01:50 PM
 
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I don't think it was an accident.
Ok, so we start imprisoning people, not based on facts, but just poll a few people on the internet?

Do you think this was an accident?
Yes - 53%
No - 41%
Undecided - 6%

How many years should he go to prison?
5 years - 14%
10 years - 28%
15 years - 41%
20 years - 17%

By the authority granted City Data members, you are sentenced to prison for 15 years.

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Happens every day.
No, it does not.
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Old 05-22-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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If it is a result of negligence, disregard, or intent, hell yeah.
I agree.

But, what if the department issues replacement pepper spray every 6 months, several different vendors with different looking canisters of different sizes have been used and the last 12 pepper spray devices he'd used didn't have any distance restrictions and were appropriate for close quarters use. I wouldn't think that would be negligence on his part.

Do you know that he was trained on this pepper spray and was aware that close quarter use could cause serious injury?
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Old 05-22-2014, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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I agree.

But, what if the department issues replacement pepper spray every 6 months, several different vendors with different looking canisters of different sizes have been used and the last 12 pepper spray devices he'd used didn't have any distance restrictions and were appropriate for close quarters use. I wouldn't think that would be negligence on his part.

Do you know that he was trained on this pepper spray and was aware that close quarter use could cause serious injury?
If you have something in your possession that you know could cause serious bodily injury to someone, you damn well better know how to use it.
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Old 05-22-2014, 02:05 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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Originally Posted by no kudzu View Post
This is a very disturbing story. Faulty instructions, poor training, non thinking cop plus drunk protester.

Given what we know how would you have voted?

Jury canít decide if cop who destroyed womanís eyeballs with pepper spray should go to prison

First off, I'm GLAD our cops in my area aren't issued this thing, and second with a velocity of 405 ft per sec, according to the specs page and is surely enough to take an eye at close range, even if was only water!
The cop needs his badge yanked and should be ordered to pay for that woman's recovery!!
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Old 05-22-2014, 02:33 PM
 
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If you have something in your possession that you know could cause serious bodily injury to someone, you damn well better know how to use it.
Again, what if every canister of pepper spray he's ever carried before couldn't do serious bodily injury?
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Old 05-22-2014, 03:06 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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Again, what if every canister of pepper spray he's ever carried before couldn't do serious bodily injury?
Standard LEO issue pepper spray does not cause permanent bodily injury, even if decom measures aren't taken.
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Old 05-22-2014, 03:15 PM
 
Location: USA
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I'm usually on the side of police, but not this time. He should go to prison several years.
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Old 05-22-2014, 03:30 PM
 
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I'm usually on the side of police, but not this time. He should go to prison several years.
Assume that he had no idea that the pepper spray could cause any significant injury when sprayed at that range, and then tell me why he should go to prison please.
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Old 05-22-2014, 04:03 PM
 
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Assume that he had no idea that the pepper spray could cause any significant injury when sprayed at that range, and then tell me why he should go to prison please.
One should assume no such thing. What should be assumed is that he was properly versed in the safe use of equipment required in the performance of his duties as a professional. Including when it is appropriate to use them, and in what manner they should be applied, as well as their contraindications.
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Old 05-22-2014, 05:15 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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I smell a lawsuit after this...
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