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Old 08-23-2016, 08:51 AM
 
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To quote Cassandra from that interview, "I guess I was in that 15% rate". Very real too.
And the percentage of patients who died with Hodgkin's before the advent of chemotherapy??

90%....thats a very REAL percentage too
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Old 08-23-2016, 09:09 AM
 
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The judge would feel differently in a few months when she turns 18, right (the article states she is 17)? But guess what? Since the state officially has "custody" of Cassandra, they can keep that custody until she is 21... sounds fair doesn't it?

There ARE alternative treatments that are available: Naturopathic Medicine for Hodgkin Lymphoma | CTCA

"In other words, to my knowledge, never in the history of medicine has a drug company proven that their drug extends the life of a patient relative to the avoidance of all chemotherapy drugs! “Survival time” is only measured by comparing one or more chemotherapy drugs to one or more other combinations of chemotherapy drugs."

Read More http://www.cancertutor.com/war_approval/

The 85% survival rate is a meaningless number.
You are wrong about the custody issue...completely wrong...

There are NO effective alternative "treatments for Hodgkins"

The link you posted?? Try READING it...

"Throughout your treatment, your naturopathic oncology provider will recommend natural therapies to support your immune system and reduce any treatment-related side effects,.."

The services listed on the Cancer Centers of America website you posted are NOT IN PLACE of conventional treatment....they are IN ADDITION TO CONVENTIONAL TREATMENT

Your last quote is meaningless particularly in the context of Hodgkins Lymphoma

Prior to 1960 the 5 year survival rate was below 10%

Now the 5 year survival rate is over 85%

What changed? Advent of chemo and radiation making this a curable cancer

85% is a meaningless number??? Tell that to the tens of thousands of people who are alive today that would be otherwise dead if it weren't for that "evil" chemotherapy....

Since the breakthroughs in combination chemotherapy for patients with Hodgkin's lymphoma (HL) starting in the 1960s, the prognosis for patients has been rising dramatically. Although the greatest increase in survival occurred between the 1960s, when the 5-year survival rates were well below 10%,
Survival Expectations of Patients Diagnosed with Hodgkin's Lymphoma in 2006
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Old 08-23-2016, 09:46 AM
 
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Really? A gun to her head in comparison to a therapy that in and of itself kills? Chemo has been shown to put cancer in remission while taxing the body so that in 5 years the cancer is back in full force. Declining that treatment is not the same as pulling a trigger at your temple.



There are thousands or stories of medical kidnap... see here: Medical Kidnap

Have too many children, home-school, live off the grid, refuse medical treatment, ask for a second opinion... the list goes on.

DSHS/CPS gets more dollars the more they take kids away from parents. The fact is that this girl discussed her condition with her parents and they all did the research. Just because some doctors ego was hurt and some judge thought the alternative treatment they wanted to do wasn't good enough is not grounds to force medication. Especially medication that has known horrible side effects! I shudder to think that it will take you having it forced on you to realize that your right to decide, with informed consent, what treatment you will undergo is of utmost importance in our human rights.

Don't be so naive as to think it won't happen to you or your family when we set a precedent that the gov't controls our bodies.
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The judge would feel differently in a few months when she turns 18, right (the article states she is 17)? But guess what? Since the state officially has "custody" of Cassandra, they can keep that custody until she is 21... sounds fair doesn't it?

There ARE alternative treatments that are available: Naturopathic Medicine for Hodgkin Lymphoma | CTCA

"In other words, to my knowledge, never in the history of medicine has a drug company proven that their drug extends the life of a patient relative to the avoidance of all chemotherapy drugs! “Survival time” is only measured by comparing one or more chemotherapy drugs to one or more other combinations of chemotherapy drugs."

Read More http://www.cancertutor.com/war_approval/

The 85% survival rate is a meaningless number.
Documentation of the efficacy of treatment for Hodgkins' Lymphoma has been offered before in this thread. If you can't accept that documentation it tells me more about your thought processes than any particular statement you've made here. Additionally, the court accepted that proof. What's your theory there? That the judge is also part of some vast conspiracy?

Interestingly, you on a subsequent post cite an article from something called "Cancer Tutor". Cancer Tutor is an alternative medicine publication that was authored by a group founded by Webster Kehr. Webster Kehr is an interesting character indeed. He called himself a 'creationist-scientist". He apparently does not believe in evolution. He believes in a series of conspiracies by government and the medical community to mislead the public about cancer. He disputes Einstein's Theory of Relativity. In short, he's a walking definition of the word "crackpot".


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster_Kehr

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Old 08-23-2016, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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I presume if you know you have ovarian cancer that you had surgery for it. Depending on the type and stage, surgery alone is sometimes curative. Additional treatment can reduce the risk of recurrence, however.

As an adult you are free to choose not to take that treatment.
No, i didnt choose to do surgery either.
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Old 08-23-2016, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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No, i didnt choose to do surgery either.
Then how do you know you have ovarian cancer? There is no way to know without having ovarian tissue to look at under a microscope.
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:08 PM
 
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To quote Cassandra from that interview, "I guess I was in that 15% rate". Very real too.
Part of the effectiveness of treatment is the patient's state of mind. She was separated from all positive support (her mother) and forced to have things put into her body against her will. That is very traumatic to a person. Stress affects a person's physical wellness.
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Part of the effectiveness of treatment is the patient's state of mind. She was separated from all positive support (her mother) and forced to have things put into her body against her will. That is very traumatic to a person. Stress affects a person's physical wellness.
Every cancer diagnosis is stressful, and pediatric cancer treatment centers have enormous support teams.

The hospital where she was treated:

Support Programs & Services
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:52 PM
 
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Part of the effectiveness of treatment is the patient's state of mind. She was separated from all positive support (her mother) and forced to have things put into her body against her will. That is very traumatic to a person. Stress affects a person's physical wellness.
Very, very true, but the "medical professionals" on here never acknowledge that at all because Science does not acknowledge the power of the mind, and it works both ways from living despite all odds. to dying when all treatment should have worked.
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:58 PM
 
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Every cancer diagnosis is stressful, and pediatric cancer treatment centers have enormous support teams.

The hospital where she was treated:

Support Programs & Services
Her major support was her Mother who was taken away from her. "Medical Professionals" were going to take the place of her Mother? Not happening. You medical professionals cannot take the place of family as much as you think you can.
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Then how do you know you have ovarian cancer? There is no way to know without having ovarian tissue to look at under a microscope.
Not true in all cases. Many tests can confirm cancer.
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