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Yep, and that's exactly the response people like this 50 year old jerk are counting on. That's precisely the reason he felt free to say what he did. He no doubt thought the woman and her son would flee the restaurant, or ignore him, or at worst perhaps say a sharp word in response. So why not indulge himself and be an a-hole?
He'd never for one minute have even CONSIDERED acting so rudely if he'd thought he might face a real, personally painful consequence to himself as a result of his smart-a$$ remark.
That's what ocnjgirl doesn't seem to understand. Most people are civilized enough that they hold their tongue around strangers because they have no desire to inflict gratuitous emotional pain on a person they don't even know. But bullies AREN"T civilized, and when a grown person is conducting himself like a five year old, sometimes a playground-level response is exactly what's needed to push them back in line.
I do understand, I just don't agree. Just because someone else chooses to be a mud-dweller piece of trash doesn't mean I have to join them in the mud.
I do understand, I just don't agree. Just because someone else chooses to be a mud-dweller piece of trash doesn't mean I have to join them in the mud.
You'll have no choice but to join them in the mud - because they'll bring their mud everywhere they go and throw it about with abandon, until pretty much every public place is mud-strewn. Don't like mud? Too bad, so sad, you'll just have to put up with it (or stay home).
NVplumber makes a good point in his post with this phrase:
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BUT..(big but..no pun intended) , needed and deserving of, the Law doth not recognize.
And that's a problem, and explains a lot about our society (especially why the internet in general is such a foul place). When people know there's no legal way to hold them accountable for their antisocial actions, a certain percentage of people see no reason to refrain from engaging in those actions. They need consequences, REAL consequences, in order to make them behave. And right now we don't have any in place.
First of all, the insulter deserved to get the %$# beat out of him. I do agree a crowbar would have been too much, though...
That being said, my understanding is that if the person who did the beat-down (the son) was/is caught, he probably would be charged with assault (that is, if the insulter chose to press charges). If someone verbally insults you in public/private & if you take offense to this, you're not allowed to give them a beat-down. You are allowed to defend yourself if someone attacks you, but that's not what happened here.
That all being said, I'm glad the son didn't get in trouble (yet) - since he was just standing up for his Mom. And, if somehow the son had gotten caught in this case, I would hope that the circumstances (i.e., his Mom being insulted) would be taken into account - since I don't think he should get in trouble because of this...
A baby boomer Californian man telling others his unsolicited opinion, I'm so surprised <sarcasm>. He was being overtly antagonistic and his whole goal that day was to become a victim by being an antagonistic dick. He knew no matter what he said the only time criminal charges can be brought against someone is a physical assault.
He got what he wanted and he deserved it. I'm glad it the treat was over the top. His behavior initially was over the top. I don't understand why people cant live and let live. Just worry about yourself.
A baby boomer Californian man telling others his unsolicited opinion, I'm so surprised <sarcasm>. He was being overtly antagonistic and his whole goal that day was to become a victim by being an antagonistic dick. He knew no matter what he said the only time criminal charges can be brought against someone is a physical assault.
He got what he wanted and he deserved it. I'm glad it the treat was over the top. His behavior initially was over the top. I don't understand why people cant live and let live. Just worry about yourself.
The sad thing is the man who punched this lowlife is now a criminal. Thirty years ago this incident would not involve major charges or a serious record, even though fighting has always been against the law. Today the consequences will end up being much more severe, they will throw the book at him. The nanny state does not permit standing up for the women of your family if it involves punching some lowlife in the nose. Heck we now give high school boys criminal records for this. This is not 1980, and sadly the dirtbag wins here.
The sad thing is the man who punched this lowlife is now a criminal. Thirty years ago this incident would not involve major charges or a serious record, even though fighting has always been against the law. Today the consequences will end up being much more severe, they will throw the book at him. The nanny state does not permit standing up for the women of your family if it involves punching some lowlife in the nose. Heck we now give high school boys criminal records for this. This is not 1980, and sadly the dirtbag wins here.
As the loudmouth provoked it, it will be viewed as mutually agreeable combat. No legal charges, but maybe a lawsuit.
While I understand that this incident is "news" but on the other hand I don't see why it is since here in Denver I have seen this sort of thing ( minus the violence of course ) take place for a number of years now. For example my next door neighbor runs a cigar lounge/shop. Over the years he had his share of people especially young people bursting into his store screaming about lung cancer. Last month at a Sam's Club in Aurora, Colorado I myself saw an older woman buying a carton of Marlboro Reds only for some 20 something female who was behind yelling at her for "not caring about your health". The older woman cussed her out as did the young woman who didn't want her to buy cigarettes.
Just a few days ago I was at a Safeway buying a 12 pack of Diet Coke. Some young woman who was a sales rep for Rockstar energy drinks kept following me around the store demanding that I put back that Diet Coke back on the shelf and buy Rockstar for the sake of good health...whatever !!! I had to end up getting the manager involved...oh BTW she kept mentioning radio talk show host Bill Cunningham too since he says that she is paying for my health care then I should do the right thing by buying Rockstar energy drinks and not Diet Coke for the sake of my health or so Bill says anyway.
I have a good vibe that unfortunately we will see more stories similar to this incident in California in the future.
You'll have no choice but to join them in the mud - because they'll bring their mud everywhere they go and throw it about with abandon, until pretty much every public place is mud-strewn. Don't like mud? Too bad, so sad, you'll just have to put up with it (or stay home).
NVplumber makes a good point in his post with this phrase:
And that's a problem, and explains a lot about our society (especially why the internet in general is such a foul place). When people know there's no legal way to hold them accountable for their antisocial actions, a certain percentage of people see no reason to refrain from engaging in those actions. They need consequences, REAL consequences, in order to make them behave. And right now we don't have any in place.
I have a different philosophy. Corny as it sounds, I believe the only way to counteract negative energy is with positive energy. There is enough hate in the world without me adding more to it. IMO, if I let haters make me into a hater too, they "won".
I also believe anyone who can make you lose control has power over you, and only by not allowing anything external to shake your core values and beliefs can you retain personal power. Look at the first sentence above "You have no choice". I believe the opposite, everything you do is a choice.
My last ex was the opposite of me. It seemed like where ever there was negative energy, he's absorb it like a sponge, let it ruin nights out together, ruin his relationship with co-workers, etc. Because he so often "took the bait", everyone had power over him. As a result he was almost 50 with a string of jobs, most of which he left on bad terms, and always someone else's fault in his opinion.
My philosophy is based on the question "Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy?". I used to engage in stupid little "battles" when driving, if someone cut me off or something I would pass them, they'd pass me, etc. I was in the "right", however taking the bait and engaging with them in the mud did not make me feel better..it ruined the rest of my ride in most cases, long after they got off at their exit, I'd still be stewing about it. So I was right, but I wasn't happy. I felt ashamed and I knew I could be a better person than that. I want to be a better person than that. It makes me feel good when I take the high road.
My ex thought he'd be able to be happy when people around him stopped being a**holes. When he found a job where there wasn't some a**hole for a boss or co-worker or neighbor, then he'd be able to be happy. But there are always going to be a**holes, every where you go, almost without exception. If you can't be happy as long as they're around you, you'll never be happy.
Aside from that, when someone is trying to pi** you off, getting mad back actually gives them the attention they want, IMO nothing makes them madder than not letting them get to you.
The sad thing is the man who punched this lowlife is now a criminal. Thirty years ago this incident would not involve major charges or a serious record, even though fighting has always been against the law. Today the consequences will end up being much more severe, they will throw the book at him. The nanny state does not permit standing up for the women of your family if it involves punching some lowlife in the nose. Heck we now give high school boys criminal records for this. This is not 1980, and sadly the dirtbag wins here.
He punched him multiple times, not just once, He is a criminal because he commited a criminal act. People should not be allowed to beat up someone who isn't physically threatening them, sorry.
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