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Until someone provides the video (and probably even after that) people are going to believe what they want to believe.
What difference does it make? Many of the same posters showing sympathy for a terrorist scumbag armed with actual guns that stated many times that he was willing to kill police officers said that a police officer had no choice but to shoot a 12 year old kid playing with a toy gun.
If you take up arms against our country and threaten to kill people while playing out some delusional sovereign citizen fantasy, you deserve to die. Simple as that.
Personally, I would have preferred to see all of these idiots spend the rest of their lives in cages with no access to their precious guns while fighting off the advances of dozens of sexual predators on a daily basis. A quick death is a mercy I wish none of them received.
They didn't even fire on the Feds....the Feds fired on them.....but the feds are claiming differently, of course....
Correct, according to a couple of eyewitnesses there was no shoot out, they were invited to attend a negotiation meeting with the FBI, however, they were stopped on the hiway before getting to the meeting by the FBI. LaVoy Finicum was shot by the FBI, LaVoy Finicum was unarmed, the only shootout was the shot fire by the FBI. But, we'll only hear what they want you to know, and the truth will be hidden. Even if they had been armed, Oregon law states the we have the right to "open carry".
Eyewitnesses are reporting that Finicum did not have his hands up and was shot while charging at the police. So, using the typical conservative logic, the man deserved to die for failing to follow orders from a police officer. Or does that rule only apply to unarmed black men?
I don't know why you oppose my idea of holding responsible the local police departments engaged in what you deem to be bad actions instead of trying to project it onto other departments.
You're probably one of the people that the NAACP had to protected witnesses from in Ferguson.
Correct, according to a couple of eyewitnesses there was no shoot out, they were invited to attend a negotiation meeting with the FBI, however, they were stopped on the hiway before getting to the meeting by the FBI. LaVoy Finicum was shot by the FBI, LaVoy Finicum was unarmed, the only shootout was the shot fire by the FBI. But, we'll only hear what they want you to know, and the truth will be hidden. Even if they had been armed, Oregon law states the we have the right to "open carry".
I don't know why you oppose my idea of holding responsible the local police departments engaged in what you deem to be bad actions instead of trying to project it onto other departments.
You're probably one of the people that the NAACP had to protected witnesses from in Ferguson.
I don't see anything wrong with a police officer killing a terrorist that made multiple threats to kill people. No matter what their skin color or religion happens to be.
It seems that you do, as long as the person is white and Christian.
One thing that has come to the forefront in this entire debacle is the fact that a ton of posters here, like so many in America, have failed to do their reading, that alone would have put all of the "Patriots troubles" in proper perspective. Ammon Bundy and company were out there for over twenty days and the media was all over their bios, AND, some posters didn't even know where they were from..
Why is this important? For the simple reason that these kinds of people (militia) are getting support from those with barely any knowledge of the constitutional laws that supposedly are the founding principles for their actions. Pure ignorance seems to have been ruling these men and their notions of law are as out of whack as their feigned patriotism.
Truly educated, thoughtful, civilized, people do not challenge the government with guns and vitriolic threats, they just don't, but, Robert Finicum, despite his own declaration of being "peace loving," decided to forego all that he was defending and chose death instead. Family men? I don't think so..Peace loving? No again, he was simply mentally deranged.
Scrambled thinking brought his life to a bloody end and now the "other patriots" will be coming out of the woodwork to lionize this simple minded man for his act of ultimate stupidity. Like so many others at this so called standoff, Finicum was failing in life, so was Bundy, their anger was aimed at the government, but on it's face that was no reason to go off the deep end and get yourself killed----UNLESS you wanted it that way as a way out of all that failure and debt...
I guess, by definition, an eyewitness is a person who witnessed the event. I doesn't matter if the persons were a party to event, it is still an eyewitness. Is guess it all comes down to "who's narrative your going to follow" and who has the most to gain from their narrative.
I'll add this: Let's assume that this person that was shot and killed, exited the automobile with a side arm holstered, the FBI agent saw the side arm and was in fear of getting shot and then shot and killed this person. In Oregon you are allowed to open carry a side arm or a rifle without interference from the police. Now had this person unholstered his weapon, well that's a different story.
I guess, by definition, an eyewitness is a person who witnessed the event. I doesn't matter if the persons were a party to event, it is still an eyewitness. Is guess it all comes down to "who's narrative your going to follow" and who has the most to gain from their narrative.
Are you saying that Finicum, who had traveled hundreds of miles away from his home, had his foster children taken away from him, been mocked mercilessly in the press and had bragged multiple times that he would not be taken alive would just punk out at the end, get down on his knees and beg for mercy? I tend to take these nutjobs at their word, he said that he would attack any cops that tried to arrest him. Occam's Razor is your friend.
What difference does it make? Many of the same posters showing sympathy for a terrorist scumbag armed with actual guns that stated many times that he was willing to kill police officers said that a police officer had no choice but to shoot a 12 year old kid playing with a toy gun.
If you take up arms against our country and threaten to kill people while playing out some delusional sovereign citizen fantasy, you deserve to die. Simple as that.
Personally, I would have preferred to see all of these idiots spend the rest of their lives in cages with no access to their precious guns while fighting off the advances of dozens of sexual predators on a daily basis. A quick death is a mercy I wish none of them received.
Amen.
Screw these scumbags and their ilk.
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