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Nah, this is called epidemic social media reporting.
Yayyy, someone gets it...People are responding to "social media" as if it really is anything more than BS news, get a life folks. Grow up and READ the real news, it is still out there, but like Trump and others have discovered, social media use requires nothing between the ears, and the ability to speak through the rear of one's trousers.
Back in 1998 there was a REASON they put that rule into place. But we have people trying to make this out to be a new phenomenon.
I didn't live there long enough to know the whole backstory, but apparently Albuquerque had a gang problem. The protesters claimed the policy discriminated against Chicago youth because they were the majority population.
With social media now it's even worse. I take it a lot of kids showed up just to watch the fight and record it, egging on the fighters. I don't think people want to start throwing 15 year-olds in jail who never threw a punch, but the same way bars ban people who start trouble, the mall and local police need to warn the community that kids inciting the violence will be banned. They will stop showing up when they see these things on social media, or if they're there when a fight breaks out they will quickly leave.
Too many people are excusing this behavior. If you consider this normal in your neighborhood, you are not doing your civic duty as an adult. It isn't always "someone elses job to do something".
Storm City Hall. Go to town meetings. Bring your neighbors with you. Put pressure on those who you pay to keep your city or town safe. Swamp your local representatives with visits, phone calls and letters. Become a bigger force than the teens.
Change some laws. Think outside of the box. Demand that the parents of these thugs be punished. Eventually they'll start doing a better job of raising their kids.
Go into the schools. Take your numbers (neighbors, friends, family) Demand that they throw the troublemakers out of school, thus reducing the bad influence on the kids who want an education.
Demand better security at the malls, where teens are known to frequent. What the heck do mall guards do anyway? I never see them patrolling the floor. Don't let your teens shop there until security people are tripled and more visible.
Too many people are excusing this behavior. If you consider this normal in your neighborhood, you are not doing your civic duty as an adult. It isn't always "someone elses job to do something".
Storm City Hall. Go to town meetings. Bring your neighbors with you. Put pressure on those who you pay to keep your city or town safe. Swamp your local representatives with visits, phone calls and letters. Become a bigger force than the teens.
Change some laws. Think outside of the box. Demand that the parents of these thugs be punished. Eventually they'll start doing a better job of raising their kids.
Go into the schools. Take your numbers (neighbors, friends, family) Demand that they throw the troublemakers out of school, thus reducing the bad influence on the kids who want an education.
Demand better security at the malls, where teens are known to frequent. What the heck do mall guards do anyway? I never see them patrolling the floor. Don't let your teens shop there until security people are tripled and more visible.
Yes to the above, but I don't understand why the businesses and mall management in such cases are so passive. They're in business to make money, obviously, so anything threatening their bottom line usually gets their immediate attention and efforts to bring about change. Indy posts that brawls are a weekly activity in his downtown mall; I don't find that believable. Commercial interests in the mall wouldn't stand for it for long.
I also wouldn't assume that it's "disadvantaged" youth exclusively causing these incidents. "Advantaged" youth are just as capable of making trouble out of boredom and sheer macho stupidity. The only difference is that the parents of the "advantaged" youth will call a relative or a neighbor who's a lawyer to get their child out of jail and keep his record clean, whereas the parents of "disadvantaged" youth have no such recourse.
Delinquency can happen anywhere, in any family, from any background. I know; I grew up with two idiot brothers.
We had one mall in my city that banned teens loitering in groups of 2 (3?) or more. This was less than 10 years ago.
All it did was result in accusations of discrimination and lawsuits when minorities were asked to disband. These kinds of policies can't be enforced without someone getting butthurt.
That has nothing to do with malls. It has to do with the people in that town. If you removed the mall, since it happens outside the mall, the behavior would continue, right? Because the PEOPLE are the problem, not the mall.
The problem is that those young people have parents who either don't know, don't care, or support the behavior. Malls provide a way to get rid of your kids and get some peace and quite. The problem is, some of these kids are trouble makers and others just want to be where the action is. Malls provide shelter, food, and water for minimal cost. Want to get rid of your kid(s) so you can have some alone time with your spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend, send the kid to the mall with $7 for a few hours and they won't starve and they will have shelter from the elements.
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Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth
Why does it happen every weekend in your downtown mall? What's wrong with the kids in your city? Why haven't mall management and the police done anything about it? Why does the population tolerate it? This is hard to believe. Mall management wouldn't allow it to go on with regularity, because it would keep shoppers away, and weekend business would vanish.
Where did kids hang out and make trouble before there were malls?
The bulk of these young people are likely lower income, and those who aren't are likely lower middle class. It happens because parents and/or society doesn't dish out needed discipline to some of our youth. People say that minor offenses shouldn't get any sort of jail stay. So all these kids get are slaps on the hands and that is only if they actually get arrested for something. For a certain percentage, being loud, causing drama, and solving differences through violence is taught in the home. If you are at home and can take violence, crude language, and maybe some nudity here and there, go to worldstarhiphop.com and watch the fight videos. What you see in the neighborhoods happens constantly in major cities in the US. For the most part, this is some of the behavior we get at our malls. It usually doesn't get physical because the cops are right there, but they constantly have to babysit these kids because if they don't, fights will break out, guns will be fired, and as what happens in some cases, people get shot.
Our NE mall had rules after a similar incident months ago. I guess they pulled them back. The problems come when rival factions of kids who aren't raised right show up. They start fights, the number of young people wanting to chat makes things loud, which makes people talk louder. You have the 'all eyes on me' drama types who want to scream while running around to different groups. Here in our city, it is normal for kids who are raised right to be dropped off at the mall for an hour or so. They do shop, they socialize properly. The malls want the money. Our downtown mall gets a lot of convention business. Our conventions consist of numerous high school and junior high aged band, cheer, and gymnastics competitions. Not to mention we get other groups with large numbers of 13-18 year old school kids. The mall makes money on these groups as most of these kids actually act properly. The entire issue is making rules because of some trouble makers and loitering local kids will then punish kids who are doing everything correctly. Sometimes adults don't want to constantly have to be with the young people, so that means the kids can't go to the mall unless their teacher or coach is with them.
I think our NE side mall is just going to have to give in and make the rule. For every four people under 18, there has to be a legal guardian of at least one kid who is 30+ years old. That mall survives on local money and it will push the locals to other closer malls in the area, two of them outdoor malls with no issues.
Indy posts that brawls are a weekly activity in his downtown mall; I don't find that believable. Commercial interests in the mall wouldn't stand for it for long. I also wouldn't assume that it's "disadvantaged" youth exclusively causing these incidents. "Advantaged" youth are just as capable of making trouble out of boredom and sheer macho stupidity. Delinquency can happen anywhere, in any family, from any background. I know; I grew up with two idiot brothers.
First off, what I wrote was this: While only 5% of a group of a hundred plus might actually be causing trouble, yelling, screaming, etc., when those incidents quadruple in scope (and in the case of our downtown mall, it happens pretty much every weekend outside of the colder winter months. Every weekend) it is an epidemic.
The behavior isn't always criminal/violent, more along the lines of behavior one would expect during a drunken spring break trip or house party (loudness, running around from group to group, smarting off at some other group, etc.). You can believe what you want, but our city police deal with this issue every weekend so long as the weather is decent. Once the cops crack down in one area, the kids move on to another area. These trouble makers, for the most part, aren't your middle and upper class kids. The loitering issue is said to be a problem at all malls, with groups just doing things like blocking walkways and being loud (the larger the group, the more voices one has to speak over). The more violent issues though seem to be more than likely consist of young people from lower income households. It is why our police department has to call in for special bus service to get these people back to their neighborhoods. Many don't have cars or even a license to drive at 16, 17, and 18 years of age. Most don't have the money in their family to have their own car even if they do have a license.
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Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth
Why does it happen every weekend in your downtown mall? What's wrong with the kids in your city? Why haven't mall management and the police done anything about it? Why does the population tolerate it? This is hard to believe. Mall management wouldn't allow it to go on with regularity, because it would keep shoppers away, and weekend business would vanish.
Where did kids hang out and make trouble before there were malls?
Recently at a Wal Mart in my metro area a brawl lasted for 20 minutes and neither security nor police were called. I certainly don't excuse the people behaving badly but why would they store tolerate such behavior? Don't they understand law abiding people will simply drive somewhere else to shop?
Recently at a Wal Mart in my metro area a brawl lasted for 20 minutes and neither security nor police were called. I certainly don't excuse the people behaving badly but why would they store tolerate such behavior? Don't they understand law abiding people will simply drive somewhere else to shop?
It looked like some personnel were attempting to stop the fight, but I think when you have several people engaged in it, it's best to just let the fight run it's course. Truthfully, if I were an employee and saw this going on, I would have been on the phone with police, but I would not have jumped in to stop it. I probably would have tried to get the customers back as far as I could. You never know who is carrying a firearm, or what lengths of violence another person will go to if they feel like you are interfering.
I saw a fight at the WalMart in Frankfort, Ky. An older gent got pissed off at another guy in the cd section and whacked him on the head with his walking stick. As we were leaving the store shortly after seeing this happen, the two men were already in separate squad cars.
The commentary by the woman in this video was fantastic, btw.
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But we have people trying to make this out to be a new phenomenon.