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Old 07-13-2023, 03:24 PM
 
Location: In the north country fair
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Privacy is not a Constitutional right. Freedom of speech and freedom of the press is though.
You are wrong:

There is no explicit mention of privacy in the U.S. Constitution, but in his dissent in Gilbert v. Minnesota (1920), Justice Louis D. Brandeis nonetheless stated that the First Amendment protected the privacy of the home. In Griswold v. Connecticut (1965), Justice William O. Douglas placed a right to privacy in a “penumbra” cast by the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth Amendments... Sometimes privacy tort claims conflict with First Amendment free speech or free press claims. For example, the press may publish sensitive details of a person’s private life and be charged with a public disclosure of private facts tort.

Source: https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment...f%20the%20home.
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Old 07-13-2023, 03:35 PM
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Location: Pittsburgh
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She has 85,000 subscribers to her channel, so it seems most of the blame should be on the general public.
If you are watching such a thing, you are a psychopath yourself. No feeling for others at all. Nothing there.

That being said, you proved my point. They are growing at an alarming rate. Protect yourself. I'm moving into the country in a few years, but I will be heavily armed and lots of security. I am pretty armed in my suburb and have silent alarms on my home. It only gets worse from here.
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Old 07-13-2023, 03:51 PM
 
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The YouTuber is just another psychopath. They are everywhere and seem to be growing in numbers at a very rapid rate.
Some may be one type of "path" (psycho, socio, etc.) or another. But there are a growing number of people who are earning money with monetized social media channels showing shocking, sensational, provocative content.

Take the "Hood" channels on Youtube. These are people that drive through the worst bombed out, run down, gang/drug infested neighborhoods in the U.S. with dashcams and other video equipment on their vehicle. Competition among these channels seems to be increasing, prompting some channel owners to take greater and greater chances to keep attracting viewers and remain viable.

One "hoodie" has taken to WALKING through these areas and neighborhoods at NIGHT, and has dipped down into drug cartel areas in Mexico seemingly to stay one of the top channels.

If you want to see how many copycats try to jump on board and get a piece of the action for social media viewership with content that draws attention, go to Youtube and type "Kensington Avenue Philadelphia" into the search box.

Do any of the people in these videos have a say in whether it is morally right/legal to film them? If the videographers are making money, do they give these poor folks some of it, or make a donation to drug rehab centers or churches, etc?
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Old 07-13-2023, 04:17 PM
 
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Society is becoming more disgusting and desensitized each decade.
This is not evolving.
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Old 07-13-2023, 04:43 PM
 
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First Patreon is not affiliated with YouTube. YouTube or their parent company Google has no control over Patrean or what is posted there.

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No where in the Constitution does it say, unless something is too gruesome.
The Constitution also does not say you have to be respectful, have dignity, honor, compassion or morality; non of which should have to be government mandated.
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Old 07-13-2023, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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The real question is who would want to see this? Find out who paid and keep a close eye on them.
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Old 07-13-2023, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The Constitution also does not say you have to be respectful, have dignity, honor, compassion or morality; non of which should have to be government mandated.
Why is the constitution being discussed here? I never said the YouTuber had broken any laws. I said states should pass laws to restrict things like autopsy reports, and pictures of victims. I already linked list of 9 states that have this on the books already. The constitution does not prohibit states from passing laws to restrict access to these documents.


I don't want to turn this thread into a POC thread. I'm glad Patrion has suspended the YouTubers account that is well within their rights as a private company.
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Old 07-14-2023, 02:54 AM
 
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The issue with death certificates is that - like birth certificates - they're legal documents which can be used in business and government transactions for various purposes, and as a result it's highly important that no unauthorized person accesses them.



Autopsy reports inc. photos have no such relevance. It'd be difficult to prove objective harm from their release other than 'emotional distress' for other people - which isn't irrelevant but less prioritized than material impacts.
IIRC death certificates like those of marriage and births are required by USC to be matters of public record. Under certain circumstances and varies by state laws any of these documents can be sealed (usually via court order) and or access otherwise restricted.

In most if not all states there are two sorts of marriage, death and birth certificates. A "certified" version which carries seal which is valid for business or legal purposes. The other is "informational" which simply list most matters of fact involving birth, death or marriage.

As it relates to death certificates most states place restrictions on access to full information regarding say COD. This is only available to family members, heirs and others deemed to have legal purpose as defined by statue. Everyone else can find out yes a death is recorded but that's pretty much about all.

Usually at some future date in time full information regarding death is open to public record.

https://www.newsweek.com/zav-girl-ga...ctures-1812686

Websites such as "Find A Death" dredge up and catalog death certificates of famous or infamous persons.

You can see for the one they have of late Mr. Jack Cassidy COD is listed.

https://findadeath.com/the-directory/
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Old 07-14-2023, 02:56 AM
 
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A true-crime YouTuber obtained gruesome autopsy pictures of 11-year-old Gannon Stauch and then charged $3 on Patreon for people to view the photos. Michael Allen, lead prosecutor in the murder trial of the child’s stepmother Letecia Stauch, called the YouTuber’s actions “outright disgusting” and “completely disrespectful to the family.”

States need to pass laws requiring a court order to release these types of pictures.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dered-son.html


This piece of work "Zav Girl" defends charging for access to pictures because, well because she put quite a lot of effort into the thing.

""But in this case I spent a lot of time and worked hard putting together a video lining up the coroner's audio and descriptions along with the appropriate part of the photos she is describing and editing it together to try to make it as informative as possible for the viewer," Zav Girl added."


https://www.newsweek.com/zav-girl-ga...ctures-1812686

Anyway video is taken down and both Zav Girl's YT and Patreon accounts have been suspended.
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Old 07-14-2023, 03:01 AM
 
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Before "Zav Girl" there was Vicki Pate and there are doubtless others.

https://www.yc.news/2023/07/12/meet-...pics-for-cash/
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