*Dallas - Fort Worth: The New Mecca of the South! (Houston: income, shop)

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by Mister Nifty

Look, these are city of Houston figures.
1980: 1,595,138
1990: 1,631,766
Meaning that the city grew by 36,628 people.

Either you aren't doing the math or you have a stone wall in front of your face. There is no way that the city of Houston's population could expand by only 36,628 in a decade without losing population.
In a good economy, the city of Houston will typically expand by 15,000 to 30,000 people a year.

I saw the yearly breakdown a couple of months ago.

Houston increased in pop from 80 to 86, then declined from 86 to about 88, then began to increase again.

[dv1033]

Originally Posted by ClarenceBodiker

Are you really going to try to compare Houston's one small line of rail to DART's megasystem that sprawls throughout two counties, and possibly four in the future? Yes, Houston's ridership per mile is higher. That's not difficult to do when your only line extends through the densest part of your city's core. Call me when Metro is serviceable to anyone outside of downtown Houston.

Yes because all DART rail does is sprawl.... that's why it's ridership is so low for now being the largest in America.

Houston has had a commuter bus system (park&ride) and HOV system for over two decades that has been delivering suburbanites into the city since then. Currently around 36000 park&riders and ~190,000 carpoolers get onto Houston's HOV lanes and make their way into Houston's core. So I'm not sure why people act like Houston's lone rail operates in a vacuum. Houston's fantastic ridership/mile, in part, comes from park&riders, as they make up 30% of the riders.

However, the placement of the line is the key to its success so I don't know why you are knocking where they placed METRO's line. But give me your number because the rail's influence reaches the burbs.

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by Scarface713

See, you are just looking at rail though. Metro operates a highly efficient and highly uses Park and Ride system. If it was a commuter rail system, instead of buses using HOV lanes, Houston would get more "cool points" among transit nerds, but oh well. A lot of people don't know about it, but in the mornings, just watch the streams of ars head into the Park and Ride lots all over Houston's suburbs. Over 250K riders a day. Hell, the Katy Freeway HOV park and Rides handle as many people as the DART Red Line.

Plus, Metro has a BRT line operating now called "Quickline" along Bellaire. More streets coming up soon. This in addition to rail expansion in other areas.

Bus culture in Houston works better than in Dallas - Fort Worth because most of the people in the area work within the 14 square miles created by downtown Houston, the Texas Medical Center, and Uptown Houston (seven miles between downtown Houston and Uptown Houston and four miles between downtown and the Texas Medical Center with this distance being, not between the edges of each district, but the distance between each of their centers. Seven times four leaves twenty-eight. This figure is then divided by two leaving an approximate area of 14 square miles.)
In comparison, the major employment areas in Dallas - Fort Worth are many miles apart.
Distance from downtown Dallas:
downtown Fort Worth - 30 miles.
Las Colinas - 12 miles.
Addison - 12 miles.
The Telecom Corridor - 12 miles.
Stonebriar Commercial Shopping District - 23 miles.

[Dallaz]

Originally Posted by Mister Nifty

Bus culture in Houston works better than in Dallas - Fort Worth because most of the people in the area work within the 14 square miles created by downtown Houston, the Texas Medical Center, and Uptown Houston (seven miles between downtown Houston and Uptown Houston and four miles between downtown and the Texas Medical Center with this distance being, not between the edges of each district, but the distance between each of their centers. Seven times four leaves twenty-eight. This figure is then divided by two leaving an approximate area of 14 square miles.)
In comparison, the major employment areas in Dallas - Fort Worth are many miles apart.
Distance from downtown Dallas:
downtown Fort Worth - 30 miles.
Las Colinas - 12 miles.
Addison - 12 miles.
The Telecom Corridor - 12 miles.
Stonebriar Commercial Shopping District - 23 miles.

Stonebrair Centre Mall?

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by dv1033

Yes because all DART rail does is sprawl.... that's why it's ridership is so low for now being the largest in America.

Houston has had a commuter bus system (park&ride) and HOV system for over two decades that has been delivering suburbanites into the city since then. Currently around 36000 park&riders and ~190,000 carpoolers get onto Houston's HOV lanes and make their way into Houston's core. So I'm not sure why people act like Houston's lone rail operates in a vacuum. Houston's fantastic ridership/mile, in part, comes from park&riders, as they make up 30% of the riders.

However, the placement of the line is the key to its success so I don't know why you are knocking where they placed METRO's line. But give me your number because the rail's influence reaches the burbs.

Contrary to opinion, the cities of Dallas and Chicago don't "sprawl" as they are distribution points with Chicago serving the north and Dallas serving the south. In fact, the areas 700,000,000 square feet of Warehouse space is so organized that it can be easily discerned by looking at a google map.

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by Dallaz

Stonebrair centre mall?

The area around Stonebriar Centre is becoming a huge employment center. Because the area is dominated by retail, it is designated as a Commercial Shopping District and not a Business District.
Try to keep up.

[Dallaz]

Originally Posted by Mister Nifty

The area around Stonebriar Centre is becoming a huge employment center. Because the area is dominated by retail, it is designated as a Commercial Shopping District and not a Business District.
Try to keep up.

I have never heard of Stonebrair becoming a "commercial District". The mall only have been open for 10 years.

[dv1033]

Originally Posted by Mister Nifty

Contrary to opinion, the cities of Dallas and Chicago don't "sprawl" as they are distribution points with Chicago serving the north and Dallas serving the south. In fact, the areas 700,000,000 square feet of Warehouse space is so organized that it can be easily discerned by looking at a google map.

Huh? I meant the rail sprawls. Not sure what you are possibly talking about.

[Trae713]

Originally Posted by Dallaz

I have never heard of Stonebrair becoming a "commercial District". The mall only have been open for 10 years.

It's not. A real estate expert came in in another thread and proved Nifty wrong when he tried to say this. The Villages at Fairview/Allen have taken away a lot of business from Stonebriar. Stonebriar is just a large shopping area thanks to zoning. It serves as a great lunchtime area for Legacy employees and weekend hangout for suburbanites.

[Dallaz]

Originally Posted by Scarface713

It's not. A real estate expert came in in another thread and proved Nifty wrong when he tried to say this. The Villages at Fairview/Allen have taken away a lot of business from Stonebriar. Stonebriar is just a large shopping area thanks to zoning. It serves as a great lunchtime area for Legacy employees and weekend hangout for suburbanites.

Thanks, for clearing that up!