Housing Market in DFW (Dallas, Arlington: homes, good schools, college)

[lepoisson]

Originally Posted by hbdwihdh378y9

And it's even better for people in their 20's. So why do you continue to denigrate DFW?

Suburban America is the worst place for people in their 20s. It just so happens that DFW is primarily suburban.

[turf3]

Originally Posted by lepoisson

Suburban America is the worst place for people in their 20s.

Not everyone in their 20s wants to be either a hipster or $30k millionaire. Actually, when I was in my 20s, my friends and I scorned both of those demographics. We were interested in other things.

You do realize, don't you, that a large fraction of people in their 20s are married and having children?

You do, also, realize, don't you, that a large fraction of people in their 20s have actual 8 to 5 (and more) jobs, and are too damn tired to spend every night partying?

[lepoisson]

Originally Posted by turf3

Not everyone in their 20s wants to be either a hipster or $30k millionaire. Actually, when I was in my 20s, my friends and I scorned both of those demographics. We were interested in other things.

You do realize, don't you, that a large fraction of people in their 20s are married and having children?

You do, also, realize, don't you, that a large fraction of people in their 20s have actual 8 to 5 (and more) jobs, and are too damn tired to spend every night partying?

I am the only person among my group of friends from college and grad school living in suburbia. Everyone else is living in another country, living in a college town, or living in a bigger urban center.

Living outside of suburbia isn't about partying. In fact, I hate partying. I'd much rather go see a play, check out a local restaurant, or watch an international film. Living in the city is more about experiencing other cultures, seeing different things, and having plenty of activities to do on the weekends, instead of having a mundane life driving to and from work in Blandville, USA.

I don't see people in their 20s flocking to DFW or Houston. Austin, yes. I wonder why younger people move to Austin?

[numbersguy100]

Originally Posted by lepoisson

I am the only person among my group of friends from college and grad school living in suburbia. Everyone else is living in another country, living in a college town, or living in a bigger urban center.

Living outside of suburbia isn't about partying. In fact, I hate partying. I'd much rather go see a play, check out a local restaurant, or watch an international film. Living in the city is more about experiencing other cultures, seeing different things, and having plenty of activities to do on the weekends, instead of having a mundane life driving to and from work in Blandville, USA.

I don't see people in their 20s flocking to DFW or Houston. Austin, yes. I wonder why younger people move to Austin?

Tons of people in their 20s are moving to DFW and Houston. I'm sure the data backs that up, but even just my own anecdotal evidence tells me that there are lots and lots of 20-30 year olds moving here.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by lepoisson

I am the only person among my group of friends from college and grad school living in suburbia. Everyone else is living in another country, living in a college town, or living in a bigger urban center.

Living outside of suburbia isn't about partying. In fact, I hate partying. I'd much rather go see a play, check out a local restaurant, or watch an international film. Living in the city is more about experiencing other cultures, seeing different things, and having plenty of activities to do on the weekends, instead of having a mundane life driving to and from work in Blandville, USA.

I don't see people in their 20s flocking to DFW or Houston. Austin, yes. I wonder why younger people move to Austin?

You seem like a really nice person. However, your conclusions, claims and feelings about the area are so wrong so often I wonder if you are serious or fooling around.

Just a few of your bon mots:
1. No good BBQ in Dallas, when you hadn't tried any of the best places.
2. UT is grossly underfunded. In what universe are most other big public university systems better funded in real terms?
3. The architecture in Dallas is awful. When in reality Dallas is as architecturally interesting as any new city in the country without including Fair Park which is a singularly interesting Art Deco suite of examples.

An Art Deco Treasure: The Esplanade at Fair Park - Adventures of a Carry-On

https://www.google.com/search?q=fair...w=1280&bih=716

4. Young people don't move to Dallas. When in reality Dallas is a top destination for millennials - maybe #1.

Dallas is the top U.S. city for millennial moves, according to Mayflower | Business | Dallas News

[lepoisson]

Originally Posted by EDS_

You seem like a really nice person. However, your conclusions, claims and feelings about the area are so wrong so often I wonder if you are serious or fooling around.

Just a few of your bon mots:
1. No good BBQ in Dallas, when you hadn't tried any of the best places.
2. UT is grossly underfunded. In what universe are most other big public university systems better funded in real terms?
3. The architecture in Dallas is awful. When in reality Dallas is as architecturally interesting as any new city in the country without including Fair Park which is a singularly interesting Art Deco suite of examples.

An Art Deco Treasure: The Esplanade at Fair Park - Adventures of a Carry-On

https://www.google.com/search?q=fair...w=1280&bih=716

4. Young people don't move to Dallas. When in reality Dallas is a top destination for millennials - maybe #1.

Dallas is the top U.S. city for millennial moves, according to Mayflower | Business | Dallas News

1. I've since found some better places. I still prefer NC and KC BBQ because of the lack of beef emphasis.

2. I work for UTA. Turnover here is super high because of salaries. I've been told that many other campuses in the system, with the exception of the main campus, have the same problem.

3. My biggest complaint isn't really architecture, it's natural appeal. Most cities in the Southwest and West region of the US are newer. But places like Phoenix, Tucson, Albuquerque have more natural appeal than Dallas.

4. There are very few areas in DFW that cater to younger people. I live in Arlington and really feel out of my element here. I look at all of the places around me and realize that this area caters to lower income 30+ people. I'm sure the situation would be different if I lived in downtown Fort Worth or Dallas.

It really boils down to this: Some people love it here, and some people hate it here. The basketball coach at the school I taught at loved DFW and said he really wishes he could move back. Another teacher was from Fort Worth and said she couldn't wait to get out. She said KC offers everything FW did, but with less traffic and a lower cost of living. I think most of my negativity stems from the fact that I live in Arlington (Boringville, USA). I still can't believe I moved here from Kansas City.

[TurtleCreek80]

Originally Posted by lepoisson

1. I've since found some better places. I still prefer NC and KC BBQ because of the lack of beef emphasis.

2. I work for UTA. Turnover here is super high because of salaries. I've been told that many other campuses in the system, with the exception of the main campus, have the same problem.

3. My biggest complaint isn't really architecture, it's natural appeal. Most cities in the Southwest and West region of the US are newer. But places like Phoenix, Tucson, Albuquerque have more natural appeal than Dallas.

4. There are very few areas in DFW that cater to younger people. I live in Arlington and really feel out of my element here. I look at all of the places around me and realize that this area caters to lower income 30+ people. I'm sure the situation would be different if I lived in downtown Fort Worth or Dallas.

It really boils down to this: Some people love it here, and some people hate it here. The basketball coach at the school I taught at loved DFW and said he really wishes he could move back. Another teacher was from Fort Worth and said she couldn't wait to get out. She said KC offers everything FW did, but with less traffic and a lower cost of living. I think most of my negativity stems from the fact that I live in Arlington (Boringville, USA). I still can't believe I moved here from Kansas City.

I think you consistently assume that the entire DFW area is just like Arlington. It isn't.

Either get out and explore DFW more before railing against it in all these threads or limit your comments to the one part of DFW you have personal experience with, Arlington.

[lepoisson]

Originally Posted by TurtleCreek80

I think you consistently assume that the entire DFW area is just like Arlington. It isn't.

Either get out and explore DFW more before railing against it in all these threads or limit your comments to the one part of DFW you have personal experience with, Arlington.

I've been all over the metro, with the exception of Collin county (besides driving through 75). I have yet to find any place (besides the areas surrounding downtown FW and Dallas) that appeal to me.

I'd say that 1/3 of the metro resembles Arlington. These places include Grand Prairie, Irving, Garland, and Mesquite. Older homes, run down strip centers, used car lots, payday loan shops, pawn shops. Very suburban feeling.

Another 1/3 resembles Grapevine. This is where everyone out of state is moving to. I'd include places like Flower Mound, Carrollton, and Coppell. I've been told that most of Collin County would fit in this category. They are like the first category, but the strip centers are newer and nicer, and the homes are newer and more expensive. Very suburban feeling as well.

The last 1/3 is a mixture. Some of it is nicer urban (areas surrounding downtown FW and Dallas), and the other is run-down urban feeling where every home has bars on the windows (think South Dallas).

Since I have zero desire to live in Suburbia USA, only about 1/6 of the metroplex appeals to me. DFW is unique in that the majority of the metro is very suburban. Like someone else mentioned, this area is much newer, so more emphasis has been put on the suburbs.

[turf3]

Originally Posted by lepoisson

I am the only person among my group of friends from college and grad school living in suburbia. Everyone else is living in another country, living in a college town, or living in a bigger urban center.

Bingo. I think you need to talk to some more garage mechanics, call center workers, enlisted men in the Army, licensed electricians, school teachers, RNs, mechanical engineers, etc.

The world of 20-somethings does not revolve around the "scene", except for a minority of people.

[turf3]

Originally Posted by TurtleCreek80

You're right in that Dallas and Omaha share some similarities, both being prairie cities that have no real reason for being.

One word:

Railroads.