What was Plano like in the early 2000s before the rise of Frisco, Allen, and other areas (Dallas: lease, homes)

[TheOverdog]

You'd be one of the few. 20 years ago I had heard of Prosper, but only because it was widely known that Jerry Jones had bought up a ton of land up here.

Celina has won a bunch of state titles in football and other sports at the 2A level, and is likely the town mentioned for sports in James McMurty's song Chocktaw Bingo. People have heard of it.



I think you need to back away from 'large numbers of people moving there' = having heard of it, as they aren't the same thing. Especially if you are talking only as far back in history as 2000.

[LocalPlanner]

OK, but we're any of those towns part of the "places to move to" conversations 20 years ago?

[Katana49]

Originally Posted by TheOverdog

Celina has won a bunch of state titles in football and other sports at the 2A level, and is likely the town mentioned for sports in James McMurty's song Chocktaw Bingo. People have heard of it.

I think you need to back away from 'large numbers of people moving there' = having heard of it, as they aren't the same thing. Especially if you are talking only as far back in history as 2000.

I didn't say anything about "large number of people moving there = having heard of it", so not sure where you got that idea.



I for one have never heard of the song "Chocktaw Bingo" (and I assume the song is actually Choctaw, because Chocktaw isn't the name.) What that has to do with any of the towns mentioned is a mystery since it's not even in this state.


I still maintain most people hadn't heard of these towns in 2000 except for perhaps in passing a highway sign for an exit to them, and even fewer would be able to tell you where they were back then.

[Katana49]

Originally Posted by LocalPlanner

OK, but we're any of those towns part of the "places to move to" conversations 20 years ago?

Nope. Prosper wasn't really even mentioned even as late as 2010 for places to move to. We moved here in Dec 2014 and they still didn't have a grocery store, and there was nothing along 380. That's all happened in the last 5 years.

[citidata18]

Originally Posted by LocalPlanner

OK, but we're any of those towns part of the "places to move to" conversations 20 years ago?

That's how quickly things change when you're living in the country's fastest growing metro area.

20 years from now, we may be talking about folks tripping over themselves to move to Ferris or Farmersville.

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by citidata18

That's how quickly things change when you're living in the country's fastest growing metro area.

20 years from now, we may be talking about folks tripping over themselves to move to Ferris or Farmersville.

Certainly possible. Though what has put the northernmost towns into the conversation is the establishment of Collin County as a major employment center rather than the bedroom suburb area it was in earlier decades. How much farther north will large white-collar employers be willing to go, when they would start getting very far from the airports? Of course, if travel becomes less important, it may not matter.

[citidata18]

Originally Posted by LocalPlanner

Certainly possible. Though what has put the northernmost towns into the conversation is the establishment of Collin County as a major employment center rather than the bedroom suburb area it was in earlier decades. How much farther north will large white-collar employers be willing to go, when they would start getting very far from the airports? Of course, if travel becomes less important, it may not matter.

That is the million dollar question. No one knows the answer to it, especially with all of the cheap buildable land, people's relentless desire for new/shiny things and the lack of geographical barriers.

There was a thread (I think on this forum) about how DFW's suburbs have seemingly become disposable as everyone with money just moves further NE every 10-20 years.

About airport travel, I will say it's not totally inconceivable that Collin County leaders won't push hard for a 3rd airport to serve areas that far NE, especially if DFW's Outer Loop comes to fruition. For now, Fort Worth's Meacham Airport is being targeted as DFW's 3rd airport.

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by citidata18

That is the million dollar question. No one knows the answer to it, especially with all of the cheap buildable land, people's relentless desire for new/shiny things and the lack of geographical barriers.

There was a thread (I think on this forum) about how DFW's suburbs have seemingly become disposable as everyone with money just moves further NE every 10-20 years.

About airport travel, I will say it's not totally inconceivable that Collin County leaders won't push hard for a 3rd airport to serve areas that far NE, especially if DFW's Outer Loop comes to fruition. For now, Fort Worth's Meacham Airport is being targeted as DFW's 3rd airport.

Maybe if Gunter / Tioga becomes the prime exurban area for the executive-level affluent (which maybe it's already on its way there), there will be a push for major white-collar employers to move up to 380 or beyond, especially as the main lanes of the Tollway get extended to Celina and beyond.

[tmtex]

Originally Posted by LocalPlanner

Maybe if Gunter / Tioga becomes the prime exurban area for the executive-level affluent (which maybe it's already on its way there)

Tioga is rich retired execs that dont like change. One day they will get a wake up call

[DitsyD]

Deion Sanders built his Prosper Estate in 1999.

So, people in Dallas were hearing of Prosper 22 years ago. Just saying.