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Hi, yet another one considering moving to Denver. We're planning on moving in December and renting to check out the area, as we've done this past year in Tucson AZ. We're also flying up in a few weeks to check things out. We're originally from Indianapolis, Indiana.
If we want to wind up in a nice quiet middle class neighborhood that's not too far from the airport (30 minutes acutal commute?) where should we look?
Is there any place that's got land (not pop-up zero lot lines neighborhoods)? How far from the airport do we have to be before we can afford a more secluded house (see next question)?
Is buying a house with land possible around Denver? (say 1+ acres under 500K)
Also, everytime I look up Denver it's Bronco's this, Bronco's that, anyone there *not* a football fan? Is it possible to live there and not care about football?
The reason Denver is high on our list is because there are direct flights to Indianapolis, there are vegetarian/celiac friendly stores (Whole Foods), but that's really about it. We're really most interested in meeting friendly intelligent people, the latter qualifier being definitly absent in Tucson.
Hi, yet another one considering moving to Denver. We're planning on moving in December and renting to check out the area, as we've done this past year in Tucson AZ. We're also flying up in a few weeks to check things out. We're originally from Indianapolis, Indiana.
If we want to wind up in a nice quiet middle class neighborhood that's not too far from the airport (30 minutes acutal commute?) where should we look?
Is there any place that's got land (not pop-up zero lot lines neighborhoods)? How far from the airport do we have to be before we can afford a more secluded house (see next question)?
Is buying a house with land possible around Denver? (say 1+ acres under 500K)
Also, everytime I look up Denver it's Bronco's this, Bronco's that, anyone there *not* a football fan? Is it possible to live there and not care about football?
The reason Denver is high on our list is because there are direct flights to Indianapolis, there are vegetarian/celiac friendly stores (Whole Foods), but that's really about it. We're really most interested in meeting friendly intelligent people, the latter qualifier being definitly absent in Tucson.
You have an interesting post. I do not think it is easy to find a 30 minutes or less commute to the airport unless you live in aurora, right near the airport. These areas would not be that desirable. However, for land more than one acre I would suggest rural Adams county either North of the Airport near Brighton or areas Northwest of the Airport off of the new 470 and off of 160 ave. Then you can have a reasonable fast commute to the airport by 470 and maybe about 30-40 minutes. These areas are booming, and have new shopping and you may find land and home for that price.
As far the Broncos. Oh, boy, I am going to get hammered and attacked by these people. Oh, well, who cares. I am not a Football fan and never was and there are many, many people in this area who are not. You can see this because when they had the ballot issue to build the stadium I believe it was over 42% voted against it--that is my memory and I cannot find the results.
Yes, there are people who distinctly are opposed to the all the Bronco Baloney that permeates media. Unfortunately, the local TV news acts as an info commercial for Football and coverage of other news take second place. The local Newspapers are just yellow papers for football. But what can you do??? I do not care; I do not watch local moron news, I do not read the idiot papers---I have the internet to keep track of the world. That is one of the reasons newspapers are dying and local TV is in trouble because there is now competition. So, maybe they think they need to cater to the circus crowd.
Yea, there are loud people run around and assume everyone loves football. Even the public officials play this game--when a foreign dignitary comes to Denver, they think it is so impressive to show them the Broncos training grounds---as there are no other unique sites in Colorado to show.
You can argue till your blue about the economic impact of State supported stadiums, which really do not generate the dollars other than to the owners.
We have other pressing problems without buildings stadiums for rich owners who charge ridiculously for food--but the fans pay it. They deserve to be robbed--if they can pay all these outlandish costs for tickets, parking food, clothing which are sewed in sweatshops and it is free choice--everyone has a right to be fleeced.
Oh, I am going to get all kinds of hell over this. I believe the stadium was voted by the majority and I accept it. If people want to spend their time to make owners and players very rich--that is their choice. It does provide entertainment for the masses and keeps them sedated and under control and in one place, at least at game time. That is a great time to go places--the roads are clear and stores are peaceful.
But keep in mind that there is a large group of very intelligent football fans that take the games as just one more part of entertainment and they support the arts and other community events. Many of these people have the income to support their vices. If people can pay for it without neglecting their families and other obligation then they have that right to their enjoyment.
It is sad to see those who are all dressed up in the Bronco Regalia and pay for this activity and at the same time whine and complain that they cannot pay their mortgages and other bills. I have been behind families in grocery lines all dressed to their Bronco finest and they are paying their bills with access cards(food stamps). This is the cost to society that the football and stadium supporters do not talk about--it is an addiction that many people cannot afford.
It is just the rabid, crazy, drunken fanatics who more of what is necessary and this is their religion, Again, what can you do?? As long as they behavior is not a danger to others then I do not care, but when they become drunk and violent--then we must deal directly with their behavior through fines and imprisonment. But these people are in the small minority. Most fans are just having reasonable fun and just want to have the enjoyment of being part of a group and they know that it is just a game. That is their choice and I see nothing wrong with that, but I do not want to pay for the stadiums but the decision was made and I pay.
The short answer is yes, it is possible to live here and not care about football.
However, the talking heads on TV and the useless newspapers need to be ignored. That is how I deal with it, I do not see, I do not hear, and I do not care--I find people who have similar interest and the fanatics do not matter.
Residential lots over half an acre are very uncommon in the metro area. It doesn't sound like you want to live in a metro area anyway, but would like to be fairly close. I second livecontent's suggestion.. try looking for rural plots near Brighton. However, be aware that Wild Oats (our local vegetarian/organic chain) / Whole Foods stores are pretty far from that area. You could also look along the I-70 corridor around Watkins or Manila.
I don't watch or care about the Broncos or any of our other sports teams. Plenty of folks here who don't give a crap. Just depends what your crowd is, really. The ones that like it are pretty vocal, that's all.
I'm a vegetarian from CA who just moved here 5 months ago. it's pretty easy to be a lacto-ovo vegetarian here, but slightly harder to raise a small child as a vegetarian here than in southern CA (not everyone is as clued in to vegetarianism here) and there's more processed food than I'm used to around my kid (maybe it's my environment, lol, boulder's probably different). prices of organic foods are higher here than in CA, not sure whether that holds true for you in arizona. Whole foods has a near monopoly, or will as soon as wild oats transitions. there is some competition from the major supermarkets, but not nearly enough. And given the weather constraints, farmers' markets are seasonal.
about the broncos. *sigh* I'm a charger fan, so frankly, I can't stand the Broncos. I secretly cheer when they lose, but since everyone is so polite and nice here, I don't do it in the open, lol. I just smile-it's their turf.
went to a colorado rockies game saturday nite (we're a Mets/Padres family) and was pleasantly surprised to see just how family friendly the game was-no drunks, lots of families, everyone behaving themselves, no taunting or yelling. I may be the only one yelling not so nice things when the dodgers come to town, lol.
yeah, the town is bronco crazy and every car seems to be an Elway dealership automobile (I'll never buy from those, lol) but it's tolerable. if you don't care much about football or if you care about another team, you can live here. it's much easier than some places I've lived (it's not at all as bad as Boston for example).
I'm a vegetarian from CA who just moved here 5 months ago. it's pretty easy to be a lacto-ovo vegetarian here, but slightly harder to raise a small child as a vegetarian here than in southern CA (not everyone is as clued in to vegetarianism here) and there's more processed food than I'm used to around my kid (maybe it's my environment, lol, boulder's probably different). prices of organic foods are higher here than in CA, not sure whether that holds true for you in arizona. Whole foods has a near monopoly, or will as soon as wild oats transitions. there is some competition from the major supermarkets, but not nearly enough. And given the weather constraints, farmers' markets are seasonal.
about the broncos. *sigh* I'm a charger fan, so frankly, I can't stand the Broncos. I secretly cheer when they lose, but since everyone is so polite and nice here, I don't do it in the open, lol. I just smile-it's their turf.
went to a colorado rockies game saturday nite (we're a Mets/Padres family) and was pleasantly surprised to see just how family friendly the game was-no drunks, lots of families, everyone behaving themselves, no taunting or yelling. I may be the only one yelling not so nice things when the dodgers come to town, lol.
yeah, the town is bronco crazy and every car seems to be an Elway dealership automobile (I'll never buy from those, lol) but it's tolerable. if you don't care much about football or if you care about another team, you can live here. it's much easier than some places I've lived (it's not at all as bad as Boston for example).
lots of smart people here .
There is a vegetarian food store, in Denver, that is little known to most people. It is across from Porter Hospital, An Adventist Hospital :
Rocky Mountain ABC
2520 S. Downing Street
Denver, CO 80210-5875
303-722-1101
800-254-9687
Fax Your Order: 303-722-2338
As you would be aware the the Seventh Day Adventist are a promoter of a Vegetarian Lifestyle.
I have been there and the prices are somewhat more reasonable, for some products, that you will find in the normal retail.
I find their products the source of some of what I would call the simulated meat products from Worthington Foods. I think this is somewhat "old-fashion" vegetarianism. I believe that a vegetable based diet does not have to promote meat look-a-like. It can be more economically and simply accomplished by complementary protein dishes--as pasta and beans, soy in a purer form as Tofu, different legumes, pulses and vegetables. However, the store has other products that can fit in to a good vegetable base diet.
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Hi, yet another one considering moving to Denver. We're planning on moving in December and renting to check out the area, as we've done this past year in Tucson AZ. We're also flying up in a few weeks to check things out. We're originally from Indianapolis, Indiana.
If we want to wind up in a nice quiet middle class neighborhood that's not too far from the airport (30 minutes acutal commute?) where should we look?
This may sound snide (it's not meant to be), but get a map and compass. Draw a circle with a radius of 20 miles from the airport. This will give you a good idea of a 30 min. commute.
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Is there any place that's got land (not pop-up zero lot lines neighborhoods)? How far from the airport do we have to be before we can afford a more secluded house (see next question)?
Most lots here are quite small. 1/4 acre is considered quite a large lot. 30 min east of DIA you may be able to find some land (but it might not have a house on it, or be buildable). JK! I don't really know what's out there.
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Is buying a house with land possible around Denver? (say 1+ acres under 500K)
Difficult, at any rate. See above plus several other posts. 1+ acre lots are very uncommon here, esp. 30 min north, south or west of DIA. Especially west. I would guarantee virtually nothing in that direction.
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Also, everytime I look up Denver it's Bronco's this, Bronco's that, anyone there *not* a football fan? Is it possible to live there and not care about football?
Yes. A number of people do so. I came here a Steelers fan. I am a failure as a parent as my kids are Broncos fans. My DH came here a Nebraska Cornhuskers fan. He too, has failed. Both of our daughters are attending CU and are CU fans, in addition. It is possible to like sports and still be 'friendly and intelligent'. Just look at LisaCACO and me! Also DH, who has a PhD. BTW Lisa, we said that about the John Elway dealerships as well. However, when we went to buy our CR-V, John Elway gave us the best deal. So we held our noses and bought it.
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The reason Denver is high on our list is because there are direct flights to Indianapolis, there are vegetarian/celiac friendly stores (Whole Foods), but that's really about it. We're really most interested in meeting friendly intelligent people, the latter qualifier being definitly absent in Tucson.
Unless you are planning on flying to Indy very frequently, you might give up the "30 min from DIA" idea and just find a house you like, near your work. That is the drive you will be making every day. The drive to DIA isn't *too* bad from most anywhere in the metro area. There is the SkyRide (RTD) which is reasonably priced, and also shuttle service.
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This may sound snide (it's not meant to be), but get a map and compass. Draw a circle with a radius of 20 miles from the airport. This will give you a good idea of a 30 min. commute.
No that's really the most useful piece of information. Here in Tucson we are 17.3 miles from the Airport and it takes nearly 45 minutes "normally", so there is a big difference. In Indianapolis (where we're from) the airport is 30 minutes from almost anywhere via the loop and Interstates.
I guess my "restriction" comes from the fact that we could have direct flights from Tucson to Indianapolis already, if we'd just eat the hour and a half drive to Phoenix and I really would like better than that... plus twisty mountain roads isn't my idea of a good time before a flight, which I assumed an hour+ would get us into in Denver people on another group have been suggesting Ft. Collins and yet others what I imagine is Aurora from this info, so it's pretty difficult having never ever been to Denver to figure out what's what.
The only thing we do more often then fly is go to Wild Oats... heh-heh. Actually we only fly about 4x a year, but it's business and it's already hard enough without adding a commute. And we do shop at Wild Oats and Sunflower market weekly or more to keep me in Celiac friendly vegetarian food. It's a drag...
As far as work, commuting isn't a factor right now, but I would like to set up my own business close to home if we decide to make Denver permanent after a year- but the first year is going to be renting and trying to figure out if and where to buy and whether to stay for real.
I'm not sure if you realize this, but, Colorado is pretty flat for the eastern 30%. Around Denver, the mountains don't start until about 30 miles west of downtown. From DIA that's about 45 miles, due west. Driving, it's more like 50-60 miles, at least if you use highways. So there are no "twisty mountain roads" anywhere near DIA. In fact, there isn't much anywhere near the airport... it was intentionally built away from the metro area to mitigate noise & other NIMBY concerns and is a reason why the airport is the 10th busiest in the world (fourth in the USA).
So I'm curious.. why are you more interested in Denver than Phoenix? You already live around Tucson so if the distance to the airport really bothers you why not just move to Phoenix? Also curious, what are all those pushpins supposed to represent?
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