I'm outta here! (Denver, Center, Aguilar: transplants, new home, elementary school)

[DenverLawGal]

other than those kids I see now. Oh wait, I'm old. hahaha, ok, yes, not so much kiddies on the Hill. Just tryin' to make conversation...

[the3Ds]

Originally Posted by wanttomoveeast

Again, what's with just throwing out statements that are unsupported? Further, it should be noted that numbers of illegals in this country are highly undocumented, not to mention in hospitals.

Perhaps some research would help those who believe pointing the finger at anyone (except for who it should be pointed at) to relieve their scapegoatitis:

A lot of people assume the emergency room overcrowding problem is due to undocumented immigrants," said Jan Emerson of the California Hospital Association. "That’s not what we see. They show up when they truly need emergency care."

Uninsured Illegal Immigrants Often Go Without Conventional Health Care | Cover the Uninsured

Focusing on Healthcare Costs of Illegal Immigrants Draws Attention Away from the Real Problem - Hospital Association of Southern California / Lott on Healthcare

I don't want to turn this into an illegal immigrants forum. I for one really don't try to have an opinion about all of this because I don't honestly think there is an answer. I try not to demonize people looking for a better life because it's the businesses that hire them and pay them next to nothing, but better than they would have received in Mexico, that seem to go unpunished in this entire matter. That being said, however, here are a few things I found on a quick Google search. I specifically avoided looking at sites that are typically conservative and tend to favor the "build a wall" approach.

This is from a study at UC Davis: One of the significant negative repercussions presented by the large number of illegal immigrants is the burden it places on the health care system. Over half of all undocumented workers are uninsured, and use of emergency-room facilities by uninsured patients has led to a massive increase in uncompensated hospital costs. Current legislation legally binds hospitals to treat all patients in emergency situations; such legislation, however is severely under funded, such that, in last five years, more than 84 California hospitals have been forced to shut down due to financial strain.

This is from the Hospital Association of Southern California: Illegal immigrants are responsible for roughly 20 percent of the $2 billion in unreimbursed care that Southern California hospitals deliver each year. (They do specifically mention that there are also a huge number of uninsured who burden the system as well).

Finally, according to the National Health Foundation: Another problem is immigrants’ use of hospital and emergency services rather than preventative medical care. For example, utilization rate of hospitals and clinics by illegal aliens (29 percent) is more than twice the rate of the overall U.S. population (11 percent).

Again, please don't misunderstand the point of my posts. I totally acknowledge that there are plenty of uninsured US citizens who don't pay their medical costs either. My only point here is that when you combine the high number of uninsured patients and then ADD to that total a large illegal immigrant population (specifically in California, though Arizona, New Mexico and Texas are suffering as well), you are in for a big storm. California has plenty of issues, however, but that is just another straw for the camel's back.

[EastSideMKE]

Originally Posted by D-town 720

Here is ANOTHER CBD link for denver
http://www.demographia.com/db-cbd2000.pdf

Milwaukee CBD is 26th...

According to that document you posted Denver is ranked 11th not 10th. And that is only measuring CDB employment.

Originally Posted by D-town 720

Once again you have no idea what you are talking about. Of course posting the 80202 zip code does not back up your claim that it maps the entire downtown. You need to look at the Denver downtown map and then maybe then you realize there are several zip codes in downtown denver. 80203 zip code covers parts of uptown denver. FYI, There is a difference between a cities CBD and its downtown borders. This may not be the case for an undeveloped city like Milwaukee...

I could easily do the same thing with Milwaukee and include areas adjacent to Downtown, but I'm trying to be accurate.

Originally Posted by D-town 720

Downtown Denver is the main financial, commercial, and entertainment district in Denver, Colorado. The downtown area is claimed to be the 10th largest in the United States and can be divided into six or seven main districts: Union Station, LoDo (however, Union Station is often considered to be part of LoDo), Ball Park, Central Downtown, Civic Center, Upper Downtown, and Arapahoe Square

Downtown Denver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Denver-map.jpg

First of all, many of those so-called "neighborhoods" are non-existent. LoDo is actually part of the Union Station neighborhood. Uptown is part of North Capitol Hill. Civic Center is now referred to as the Golden Triangle. Ball Park is part of Five Points. I've never even heard of Arapahoe Square before, not sure where that is. These neighborhoods are not, and have never been considered part of Downtown Denver. Where do you draw the line? Are Baker, Highlands, and Capitol Hill all considered part of Downtown Denver now too?

Originally Posted by D-town 720

And you need to post a link showing that Milwaukee has 20k people living downtown - that is just unheard of for a city like that. There are less than 15k living in downtown seattle. More people live in downtown Milwaukee than Seattle???
Downtown Seattle: Amid the hustle and bustle, there's a neighborhood with feeling (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/neighbors/downtown/ - broken link)

I dont want to see zip codes. I want to see the city website or something - not JBclarks belief...

I already posted the link from city-data.com. If that's not reliable enough, then perhaps you shouldn't be posting on here. What do you mean by "a city like that"? Milwaukee has 602,191 people in the city-proper (more than Denver) and 1,739,497 in the metropolitan area. I can easily believe Milwaukee has more people living in its Downtown than Denver or Seattle, because it is much older and therefore more established.

Originally Posted by D-town 720

There are 37 highrises in denver. There are 12 in Milwaukee. Perhaps all twelve of those highrises are residential units?

Not all of them are residential, but many are. Here's a pic of Cathedral Square to demonstrate the density of Downtown Milwaukee (notice the suburban style apartment complex in the bottom left corner).

[the3Ds]

Originally Posted by denverian

In Suze Orman voice: "OK People! If you- don't have - a million dollars - in your matress RIGHT NOW. You. Are going. To DIE! But I have good news people. You can order my latest DVD for $49.95 that will make you a reponsible citizen and get you out of the MESS that YOU put - yourself- INTO!"

I find her to be very annoying.

Just remember: "People First, Then Money, Then Things"

[the3Ds]

Originally Posted by denverian

I think "one person's heaven is another's hell" would be appropriate here. Here's my take on Las Vegas: It's like living in a giant, vegetation-free oven half the year, lacks an urban environment, rock yards were hiddeous, the Strip was just tacky, and since my idea of quality entertainment isn't smoking and throwing money away, I found it boring.

Amen! Plus, how many times does it take you to wash that stale bowling alley smell out of your hair? It doesn't matter where you go in Vegas...all casinos smell the same and your luggage smells like a garbage dump when you get home. But again, the point was made that every single person who lives in the USA can tell you their ideal place to live. I have friends who are counting down the days until they move from Hawaii and others who wouldn't leave North Dakota if their lives depended on it. Different strokes for different folks.

[D-town 720]

Originally Posted by jjacobeclark

According to that document you posted Denver is ranked 11th not 10th. And that is only measuring CDB employment.


I could easily do the same thing with Milwaukee and include areas adjacent to Downtown, but I'm trying to be accurate.



First of all, many of those so-called "neighborhoods" are non-existent. LoDo is actually part of the Union Station neighborhood. Uptown is part of North Capitol Hill. Civic Center is now referred to as the Golden Triangle. Ball Park is part of Five Points. I've never even heard of Arapahoe Square before, not sure where that is. These neighborhoods are not, and have never been considered part of Downtown Denver. Where do you draw the line? Are Baker, Highlands, and Capitol Hill all considered part of Downtown Denver now too?


I already posted the link from city-data.com. If that's not reliable enough, then perhaps you shouldn't be posting on here. What do you mean by "a city like that"? Milwaukee has 602,191 people in the city-proper (more than Denver) and 1,739,497 in the metropolitan area. I can easily believe Milwaukee has more people living in its Downtown than Denver or Seattle, because it is much older and therefore more established.


Not all of them are residential, but many are. Here's a pic of Cathedral Square to demonstrate the density of Downtown Milwaukee (notice the suburban style apartment complex in the bottom left corner).

You have provided no facts backing up your claim that 20k live in downtown Milwaukee. Also, you continue to ignore links proving you are wrong i.e. 10k living in CBD of denver, uptown is a part of downtown denver - you are confused about the downtown borders as suggested below. Do you really think talking over people will prove your point? You are flat out wrong and I suggest you troll somehwere else least you lose any trolling credibility you may of had.

Downtown Denver is the main financial, commercial, and entertainment district in Denver, Colorado. The downtown area is claimed to be the 10th largest in the United States and can be divided into six or seven main districts: Union Station, LoDo (however, Union Station is often considered to be part of LoDo), Ball Park, Central Downtown, Civic Center, Upper Downtown, and Arapahoe Square

Downtown Denver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Denver-map.jpg

[D-town 720]

Jbclark said:

"First of all, 80203 is Capitol Hill, not Downtown. The zip code for Downtown Denver is 80202. Within that zip code lives 4,616 people."


Not downtown eh? then I guess part of Denver's skyline isnt downtown. The lisiting of our 698ft Wells fargo center aka "cash register" building has a 80203 zip code
Wells Fargo Center (Denver) - Google Search

In fact, according to Jbclark part of the Denver skyline isnt in downtown denver its in capital hill...

SEE pics for highrise cluster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Fargo_Center_(Denver)

[Count David]

Re: the D-town 720/jjacobeclark discussion

Whoooooooooooooooooo cares?


D-town, let's just consider zips 80202, 80203, heck let's throw 80218 in as well, and we'll call that downtown. That should do 'er.

jjacobeclark, Milwaukee is better than Denver at everything you would like Milwaukee to be better than Denver at.


Done and done.

[Southlander]

Originally Posted by wanttomoveeast

I...disagree that it's an immigration problem. And BTW, hospitals do bill, plenty, but if you aren't paying you aren't paying.

Here in my Alabama town, just visit the hospital emergency waiting room, any time, day or night, weekday or weekend. It is FILLED with immigrants, none of who have insurance. And uninsured natives, to be sure, but 85% of those waiting are immigrants. And the hospital doesn't ask for their green cards.

[Count David]

Originally Posted by Southlander

Here in my Alabama town, just visit the hospital emergency waiting room, any time, day or night, weekday or weekend. It is FILLED with immigrants, none of who have insurance. And uninsured natives, to be sure, but 85% of those waiting are immigrants. And the hospital doesn't ask for their green cards.

Are you sure they are immigrants? Do you ask them if they are?

Do you ask them if they have insurance?

Do you go to the ER often? Is it 85% every time you go?

ERs aren't required to ask for green cards, they are obligated, by law, to treat everybody. Do they ask you for your green card when you come in?