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Old 11-18-2016, 12:30 PM
 
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Katy, we opted for no surgery. Our program gave our dog more than 2 years of quality life when all the surgeons and vets said he'd have 7 or 8 months at the most if we didn't do surgery/radiation. I am happy we went the route that we did. His tumor was also on the rear thigh.

You are doing very well by being thorough and careful. I'm sure you will come up with the right combination of foods -- go with low carb and anti-inflammatory foods to help you along. Mackerel is very highly rated for its anti-inflammatory properties. It's a great choice for the protein source.

Keep us updated! We care. Post a pic of Missy, if you can. I'd love to see her.
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Old 12-05-2016, 01:51 PM
 
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Default My progress with Missy

Sorry I hadn't responded sooner I didn't realize that we'd gone on to page 26 and when I logged in I kept getting my own post. So happy to read that you didn't do surgery or radiation as I have decided for sure not to do these things in a 12 yr old dog after having another friend on Facebook tell me how horrible it was for their dog. I am using the golden paste and have added in Organic Turkey Tail mushrooms 6 gms twice a day and Maitake mushrooms 400mg twice a day. She seems to think this is mushroom gravy on her food and likes it. So far she doesn't seem affected by her tumor at all. She loves to run at the beach and jump in the waves.

I'm going to have to log on from my phone so I can attach some photos of her.

Katy
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:44 PM
 
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Default Pictures of my dog Missy

Any experience with spindle cell turmors, please?-missy-beach.jpg Before the diagnosis

Any experience with spindle cell turmors, please?-missy-action-2.jpg At the beach playing just two weeks ago

Any experience with spindle cell turmors, please?-missy-before-diagnosis.jpg Last week
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Old 12-06-2016, 08:05 AM
 
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Attachment 178417 Before the diagnosis

Attachment 178418 At the beach playing just two weeks ago

Attachment 178420 Last week
Oh, how lovely! Beautiful shots, beautiful Missy. Hang in there, Missy! I'm cheering you, and your Human, on!
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Old 12-15-2016, 02:28 PM
 
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Hello Southward,


My 15 year old Papillon was just diagnosed with grade two spindle cell tumor. The vet said the most effective treatment would be surgery. But since she has kidney problem, there's high risk that the surgery will affect her kidney function. We are considering immunotherapy. Currently she's on home made diet with chicken, broccoli, kale, carrots, salmon oil. She gets her carb through the veggies not grain. What vegetable do you feed your dog? also I'm giving my dog a capsule of Theracurmin per day. you said your dog is on a new supplement which works great. Which supplement do you give to your dog? Any info and details helps.


Thank you very much.


The hoot.




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beezermommy, I'm sorry to hear of your beagle's illness. I wish you some more good years with him.

We were told the only way to get the entire tumor was to amputate his leg, then follow up with twice weekly radiation. At his age, we weren't going to do that to him. After extensive consultations with top people in the field (univ vet school too), and holistic vets, we opted for the holistic route to keep him happy and comfortable as long as we could. I had lost track of his age, but looked it up in his records. I thought he was 11 going on 12, but actually he was 14 at time of diagnosis. He turned 15 this spring, which is pretty good age for a lab! He used to be on tramadol, but hasn't needed it since we started holistic treatments. I cook for him, since the high quality kibble we fed, though low in grains, still had some grains. Carbs feed cancer, so he is off all carbs. He gets a combination of anti-inflammatory vegetables and fish or beef or both. Chicken is very inflammatory (as is all poultry). His body support supplements, a mix of traditional and Chinese herbals, are all lined up on the kitchen counter, handy for meal preparation. He eats well, is in good spirits, energy levels are those of a pup. He gets B12 injections when needed, occasional accupuncture, homeopathic meds. It's been 7 months since the diagnosis, and we were told he probably had 6 months at the most. So far, so good. Every day that he can catch a tennis ball, romp in the grass and beg a bone is a good day. He even likes to play with our other dogs.

We have added a new med (holistic) which has shown in recent studies to actually shrink a tumor. We'll see how that goes.

I hope your baby does well. Since your vet couldn't get all of the tumor (it's very difficult to get it all), see if you have a holistic vet in your area. A consult is worth it. Perhaps you can keep the tumor confined, or keep it from regrowing. Remember, something as simple as eliminating bad carbs can help! If you want to know more about holistic treatments, send me a dm. I'll send you specifics that you can discuss with your vet. Good luck and God bless.
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Old 12-18-2016, 06:55 PM
 
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ihoot, your veggies sounds great. Dark green, the darker the better, is good. The broccoli and kale are excellent. Sweet potato is also good. I also used Immuplex from Standard Process Co. to boost immunity.
Check with your vet on dosage since your dog is much smaller.

I'd drop the chicken, which is highly inflammatory. Too much stress for the cells to cope with in my opinion. I don't use any poultry for my dogs, and very little in my own diet for the same reason.

Turmeric circumen is excellent. Is what you are giving a form of that? I just use the powder straight, but if that's what your vet recommended stick with it since you have the kidneys to consider.

Best wish to you and your dog!
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:44 PM
 
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Checking in again. I wish everyone had a good holiday and happy new year!


Finally I finished reading all 26 pages of posts. I wanted to thank everyone who post here for sharing their information and provide support for each other.


So we had biopsy result back from the lab. TaoTao has grade two spindle cell tumor. The sample was taken on December 6. I noticed there was a small bump growing at the site where the sample was taken, and it grew quite fast (almost 1cm in less than a month).


We started low carb diet with mainly chicken and dark greens after the diagnosis. With Southward bound's recommendation, I'm changing chicken to mackerel, she loved it. Our diet plan is from University of Cornell. They are really good at getting back to you. Currently she's on kidney meds and supplements. Also we had just added TheraCurmin in early December to boost her immune system. Our vet has suggested use Chinese herbal medicine to help. Has anyone tried products from JingTang Inc.? This is a Florida based company founded by professor Xie at Chi Institute. Our vet has recommended Max's formula, Wei Qi booster, and Zuo Gui Wan. Southward Bound, you said Busty was on a combination of supplements and herbal meds, have you heard or used any of these? I'm also thinking to give TaoTao Thymex and/or immuplex, but haven't talked to my vet yet. What's the dosage you used back then? For Thymex, did you used the regular one or the one for pets?


We are going to see the oncologist next Thursday and deciding which treatment options is best for TaoTao. The dilemma here is that TaoTao also has early stage kidney failure. She was diagnosed with early renal disease last July. Also the same time they found a 3cm tumor in her spleen. After one month monitoring, her kidney was stable and the tumor grew from 3cm to 4cm. We decided to had her spleen removed. She had lost her kidney function dramatically within the first 6 weeks after the surgery. Then she recovered and her kidney became stable. Our worry is that the surgery will put her kidney at risk again, regardless the result of the surgery. We'll have updates after the consultation next week.


Thanks again for everyone who posted here and I wish you have your four-legged friends all the best!


The hoot
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Old 01-04-2017, 07:36 AM
 
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ihoot, sounds like you're on a good track. You are also minimizing the inflammation that the cells would be subjected to. The mackerel is an excellent anti-inflammatory.

The Thymex we used with Dusty was the regular one. Also the Immuplex. I use this now for my other dogs as needed. Your vet can easily add Standard Process supplements to his line. The supporting documentation and research is very good and will be at his/her fingertips. Once your vet has reviewed the products, he can use them as he thinks is best in any individual case.

I'm not familiar with the Chinese herbals you mentioned. Does your vet have any kind of advance training or certification in these? If so, be guided by what he recommends. Also ask him about adding some mushrooms to the diet.
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Old 01-10-2017, 03:23 PM
 
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In researching something new I heard about, I came across this item and want to share it with all of you.
It is highly technical and most of it goes over my head, but reading through it I do get enough information to be excited about the possibilities this offers. I'm sharing the paper with my vet, and am hopeful of finding a trial in our area that Dusty could participate in.

This is a Faculty Research Lecture Presented by Professor M. Frederick Hawthorne entitled "From Mummies to Rockets and on to Cancer Therapy"
[url=http://www.chem.ucla.edu/dept/Faculty/hawthorne/lecture/lecture0.htm]Hawthorne Faculty Research Lecture[/url]

I urge you to pass this research paper on to your vets. You never know what good may come of it for you and others.

What set me on the search is that I just recently learned of a new technique for determining exact margins for these tumors. It appears that after the injection of a dye into the tumor, it is scanned and the margins can be determined. This would, of course, make it possible to do more accurate surgery and predict the rate of success in getting all the cancer cells.

We are going to see a specialist tomorrow and hope to discuss this with him. I'll let you know as I learn more about it.

Hope everyone is doing OK!
Hi southward bound, my eight year old beagle was just diagnosed with spindle cell sarcoma and it looks like the tumor is to big to operate on. The tumor is on the outside of his left hind leg and it does not seem to hurt him or give him pain. I an very interested in the holistic approach and wondering if you could send some more information.
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:37 PM
 
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Hi southward bound, my eight year old beagle was just diagnosed with spindle cell sarcoma and it looks like the tumor is to big to operate on. The tumor is on the outside of his left hind leg and it does not seem to hurt him or give him pain. I an very interested in the holistic approach and wondering if you could send some more information.
I replied to your dm just now. Please let me know if you have questions.

All the best to you -- and everyone else here!

May it be a good year for everyone.
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