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Old 05-26-2017, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Des Moines Metro
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Just one note about size: personality is more important, if one has room, I think.

I'm frequently tasked with finding small dogs for seniors. In that case, the seniors often have limited strength and can't muscle around a large dog. However, since some breeds are small, a lot of them weren't properly trained because some owners didn't take their needs seriously (If he misbehaves, I'll just pick him up until he stops barking!) I can't tell you how many times I've been in the shelter and come across small dogs that were nippy and larger dogs that were much more stable.

Small dogs need the same obedience training as big dogs!
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Old 05-26-2017, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Des Moines Metro
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I just don't think they are the right family for the breed
I'll go a step further: there are a lot of families that shouldn't have a dog, period. They are too busy to provide the ongoing care and training that a healthy, successful dog needs.
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Old 05-26-2017, 12:36 PM
 
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An adult dog for sure. You know the size (it's sometimes hard to determine how big a mixed breed puppy would get) and have a good idea of the temperament (active, easy going, protective etc).

Smaller isn't always better some smaller dogs can be more challenging to own than larger dogs.

Labs do have a ton of energy when they're young and can be prone to weigh gain. I think a golden is a good choice if someone wants a pure bred dog.
However a mixed breed dog can be a perfect choice as well.

IMO a novice owner's best bet is to go to a reputable rescue that uses foster homes. The dogs are usually housebroken and the foster parent will have a good idea if the dog is right for you.

I wonder what the people who got the giant schnauzer were thinking and if they did any research? It's a challenging breed. They've been used for police work in Europe. I've seen a couple do very nice protection work but absolutely not a breed for the novice owner. Unfortunately, it's usually the dog that ends up suffering.
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Old 05-26-2017, 01:13 PM
 
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I don't think small dogs are more nippy, other than maybe Chihs

In any case, I think when you are learning about a dog and training it, smaller can be easier simply because it requires less strength to handle.
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Old 05-26-2017, 01:14 PM
 
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An adult dog for sure. You know the size (it's sometimes hard to determine how big a mixed breed puppy would get) and have a good idea of the temperament (active, easy going, protective etc).

Smaller isn't always better some smaller dogs can be more challenging to own than larger dogs.

Labs do have a ton of energy when they're young and can be prone to weigh gain. I think a golden is a good choice if someone wants a pure bred dog.
However a mixed breed dog can be a perfect choice as well.

IMO a novice owner's best bet is to go to a reputable rescue that uses foster homes. The dogs are usually housebroken and the foster parent will have a good idea if the dog is right for you.

I wonder what the people who got the giant schnauzer were thinking and if they did any research? It's a challenging breed. They've been used for police work in Europe. I've seen a couple do very nice protection work but absolutely not a breed for the novice owner. Unfortunately, it's usually the dog that ends up suffering.
They knew someone who had one as kid and loved it. Okey dokey. Great reason right? Yes, this is a dog that needs a job and they don't have one for him unfortunately

It makes me sad because 10 minutes of research on the internet would have probably revealed it wasn't the breed for them
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Old 05-26-2017, 01:31 PM
 
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They knew someone who had one as kid and loved it. Okey dokey. Great reason right? Yes, this is a dog that needs a job and they don't have one for him unfortunately

It makes me sad because 10 minutes of research on the internet would have probably revealed it wasn't the breed for them
Ugh. Yes 10 minutes would have probably been enough.
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Old 05-26-2017, 02:42 PM
 
Location: North Idaho
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What breed of dog do you think is best for someone who has never had a dog?...........
I know a family who never has a dog before, not as children nor as adults, who went and bought a Giant Schnauzer .........
Giant Schnauzer is a lovely breed and an excellent choice for a first dog for someone who has an active household and wishes to do activities with their dog. The giant is calmer than the smaller versions and will protect the family and love the kids.

As long as the family is willing to do the training and can afford the grooming, the Giant schnauzer is not that bad a choice.

There is no "best" breed for a first time owner. Each first time owner needs to study sufficiently to learn what the breed is about and how it will fit into their lifestyle.

The only breeds that I wouldn't recommend for a first time owner are the more protective guarding breeds. Even those would work if the owner is willing to put in the training and can follow advice about how to be the controlling member of the family.

Giant Schnauzer doesn't need as much exercise as that lovable Labrador puppy, who won't tire out until after the 9th hour of running and is ready to go again after a ten minute nap.

Mostly with first time owners, I would worry more about protecting the dog from them. My Bracco Italiano, who is a wonderful house dog, would suffer greatly from an ignorant owner. She is extremely sensitive and corrections have to be just right and given with perfect timing, or she is devastated.

Too many first time dog owners allow their children to maul and torture the dog, thinking it is just adorable. It takes a tough dog, both physically and mentally to survive badly behaved children.
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Old 05-27-2017, 09:57 AM
 
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Giant Schnauzer is a lovely breed and an excellent choice for a first dog for someone who has an active household and wishes to do activities with their dog. The giant is calmer than the smaller versions and will protect the family and love the kids.

As long as the family is willing to do the training and can afford the grooming, the Giant schnauzer is not that bad a choice.

There is no "best" breed for a first time owner. Each first time owner needs to study sufficiently to learn what the breed is about and how it will fit into their lifestyle.

The only breeds that I wouldn't recommend for a first time owner are the more protective guarding breeds. Even those would work if the owner is willing to put in the training and can follow advice about how to be the controlling member of the family.

Giant Schnauzer doesn't need as much exercise as that lovable Labrador puppy, who won't tire out until after the 9th hour of running and is ready to go again after a ten minute nap.

Mostly with first time owners, I would worry more about protecting the dog from them. My Bracco Italiano, who is a wonderful house dog, would suffer greatly from an ignorant owner. She is extremely sensitive and corrections have to be just right and given with perfect timing, or she is devastated.

Too many first time dog owners allow their children to maul and torture the dog, thinking it is just adorable. It takes a tough dog, both physically and mentally to survive badly behaved children.
Really? Huh. I didn't read that anywhere. Everything I have read said the Giant Schnauzer is not a good choice for a first timer. But I see your point about "active household"

This guy is super protective actually which is becoming a main part of their problem

I agree with you about protecting the dog from the family and children. Even when you see how people greet dogs, it's amazing there aren't more incidents. We will have kids come here and think they can hug our dog like a stuffed animal
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Old 05-27-2017, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Montana
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I think it really depends on the first time dog owner.

Are they wanting a sweet tempered dog (Spaniels, many hounds), and obedient easy to train dog (Labs, Golden's, Fox terriers), a goof ball (Dachshund's, Frenchy's), a walking companion (almost any dog above 20 pounds - mutts from the pound are a great choice here), an easy to travel with dog (mini breeds below 20 pounds - Chihuahua's, Yorkies, mini poodles), looking for starting a shared hobby like agility or Rally (Collies, certain terriers). Each of the breeds has places they are a great fit, and places they "just won't work out" a city apartment in NYC is no place for a border collie and a yorkie isn't going to herd your sheep no matter how obedient and well trained they are.

A lot of dogs deemed "not good for first time owners" may well be the best fit if the owner knows what they are looking for in a dog, and Labs and Golden's may be a terrible fit, even though they are two of the most popular breeds and deemed excellent first time owner dogs.

The real key to new dog owner success is having a new dog owner that knows what s/he wants from the dog, selects an appropriate breed or type, and has realistic expectations about what the dog will require for training, exercise, and socialization.
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Old 05-27-2017, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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My advice is to contact a foster group. They know the dogs in their care, and are very eager to match owners to the right dog.
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