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Old 06-22-2009, 10:40 AM
 
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I've never used pops, or a leash, when training my dog. I have had her since she was a puppy, which has helped a lot in training her, as she knows me very well and therefore understands my body language (as well as some words; it also helps that she's smart as hell.)

I remember when I first starting asking (not telling--this makes a big diff) my dog to stay, I pointed at her, saying, "Okay, just stay right there, please; I'll be right back." And then I always came back. If she got up, I simply stated, "No, right there. Please stay right there" and would walk back over to the spot and point to it again. When she did it, I would say thank you and give her lots of praise, attention and affection. And I always came back.

I have always used please and thank you with my dog with much success. My words have always been clear and firm, and I have always given my dog a ton of praise, not necessarily treats. I very rarely get angry or frustrated with her, which is the key. I also spend A LOT of time with her, which I think is the most important part of having a happy and obedient dog. IMHO, obedience and a dog's feeling of security and well-being go hand-in-hand. I would work on making your dog feel very secure first, and the rest will fall into place.
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Old 06-23-2009, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Rural New Mexico
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I agree with viralmd's procedure--and this is exactly what I've been doing. Not using a choke chain with Hobbs due to his unfortunate past. Doing the positive training, treats, praise--and trying to wait patiently for my copy of the book "Power of Positive Dog Training" to arrive in the mail. Have been working Hobbs for several days now and can't get more than 24" from him--thanks for confirmation this is just going to take a longer time. Of course, we go outdoors off leash on our 120 acres and he runs 500 feet away from me with complete confidence! It has been wonderful to see this dog go from acting like a dog who's obviously been abused to doing the "butt-tuck running romp" out of pure joy.
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:40 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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butt tuck running romp.......

hahahahha....

now that conjures quite a mental image......

and it is so VERY cool to watch a formerly shy and nervous abuse survivor blossom into their own.... have seen it with my bailey.....
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Old 06-24-2009, 11:23 AM
 
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Break it down into tiny tiny steps/improvements. First just work the length of the sit. Stand right in front of them. Don't move after you give the sit. Personally I like a hand gesture that you can associate with the sit - you can reinforce the length of the sit with it. Work on not popping up right after the sit. Stay with that for awhile once he's got it. Then increase the length of time you stand there. Then back away a tiny bit. Stay positive voice, reward the increase you are aiming for with a treat always, but only as necessary for what they have already got down well (5 secs, 10 secs whatever).
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Old 06-24-2009, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I am fostering a velcro dog plus she had been starved and hit by her owner so I never, ever use any negative behavioral techniques. We practiced stay quite a few days in the house before we did it outside with distractions from cars, birds, whatever. I started by saying stay after she was in a sit position and backing up a few steps. If she moved I would take her back to the same spot and have her sit and do it again. We practiced it in the morning and at night for only a few minutes. Over the course of several days she got the command using praise and pats as her reward, which she desires more than even food. I can have her stay forever now! We have been working on come. After her background, this command is particulary sensitive. I never use negative enforcement for training
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Old 06-24-2009, 03:28 PM
 
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Thank you........... PC has defiantly moved to the dog world! Good grief!

This is the reason cesear milan has set back dog training. Negative reinforcement training can be harmful to your dog. It's upsetting that most people who put on these " puppy training classes" are not qualified to be professional dog trainers.
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Old 06-24-2009, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Rural New Mexico
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Good news: Hobbs is already making progress with the "stay" command. I now can back up 4-5 feet! Yippee! I mentioned that he's settling in and feeling more at home and sometimes is so happy and excited he runs around, doing the "butt-tuck" romp. Now I have a new problem: he's doing it in the house! The poor cat thinks the dog has gone nuts. The scarey thing is that Hobbs will also run to the long stairway to the basement and thinks he can fly down! Now we need to work at being calm inside the house.
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Old 06-25-2009, 09:04 PM
 
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This is the reason cesear milan has set back dog training. Negative reinforcement training can be harmful to your dog. It's upsetting that most people who put on these " puppy training classes" are not qualified to be professional dog trainers.
Well that is "your" opinion. Kind of sounds like the crowd that think a carrot on a string can train a horse.


Cesar moved to the U.S. and opened The Dog Psychology Center in Los Angeles, where he was able to put his behavioral techniques into practice for a large number of canines. He has since rescued and rehabilitated hundreds of lost causes — dogs with behavioral issues such as insecurity to the more serious red zone aggression.
From appearing on Oprah to help her rehabilitate Sophie the Cocker Spaniel, to training Will Smith's Rottweilers, Cesar's methods have proved valuable for dogs from all walks of life.



http://www.dogchannel.com/dog-inform...perer/bio.aspx
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Old 06-26-2009, 12:21 PM
 
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I've had 2 velcro dogs (both Chessies) that needed a lot of extra time to master the stay. I always start training with a leash. Not as a correction device but it seems to help the dog to feel attached to me during the training. As all on here have said, its consistency and positive reinforcement to seem to work the best with a "clingy" pooch. That way they will never shut down on you. One of my girls needed reinforcement all the way to a 20 ft lunge line before I could work with her off lead to hold her stay.
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Old 06-26-2009, 05:23 PM
 
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Well that is "your" opinion. Kind of sounds like the crowd that think a carrot on a string can train a horse.


Cesar moved to the U.S. and opened The Dog Psychology Center in Los Angeles, where he was able to put his behavioral techniques into practice for a large number of canines. He has since rescued and rehabilitated hundreds of lost causes — dogs with behavioral issues such as insecurity to the more serious red zone aggression.
From appearing on Oprah to help her rehabilitate Sophie the Cocker Spaniel, to training Will Smith's Rottweilers, Cesar's methods have proved valuable for dogs from all walks of life.



Meet Cesar Millan


Most responsible and educated dog trainers know that using a choke collar on a fearfull dog is inhumane!
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