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Willy702, Malloric, Tex Dav, C Delena, Andy Wire and I concur that illegal immigrants are net detriments to USA’s economy.
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If you think that illegal immigrants are a detriments to the US economy, what do you think about the people who hire them or the people who profit from their labor?
If you think that illegal immigrants are a detriments to the US economy, what do you think about the people who hire them or the people who profit from their labor?
For a time, the company that hired illegal immigrants while everyone else was hiring Americans was doing quite well. These days, in many occupations, illegal immigrants effectively brought the market labor rates down to a point where you need illegals just to compete. Sure don't see too many Americans around here cleaning hotel rooms for example. Every production shop I visit employs 75%-80% illegal immigrants.
Consider all the low wage jobs whose pay did not keep up with inflation. Why do you think that is? A lot jobs are paying 1990's wages with 2013 inflation, and largely due to illegal immigration. Does anyone benefit? Perhaps the consumer you might suggest. Except, that consumer also has an obligation to pay taxes, indirectly supporting those trying to get by in these low paying occupation. I think we were better off when these occupations paid enough for the worker to feed his/her family without government subsidies.
You might suggest that illegal immigration helps us compete globally... Except, minimum wage is still considerably higher than the costs of employing a worker in China. At this point, the companies doing work here are competing with OTHER American companies, not so much companies employing slave wage laborers.
I feel sorry for the business owners running a business that depends on illegal labor. In many occupations, a business simply can't compete without hard working minimum wage labor. The profit margins simply wouldn't allow for many of these business owners to pay $15/hr because the customer would go elsewhere. This is why it's crucial for the government to actually get involved. Seems anymore, the government is all to involved in areas we don't need them, while completely ignoring their primary duties and obligations.
Very interesting how part of the sequester involved dumping illegals onto the street instead of deporting them...
For a time, the company that hired illegal immigrants while everyone else was hiring Americans was doing quite well. These days, in many occupations, illegal immigrants effectively brought the market labor rates down to a point where you need illegals just to compete. Sure don't see too many Americans around here cleaning hotel rooms for example. Every production shop I visit employs 75%-80% illegal immigrants.
Consider all the low wage jobs whose pay did not keep up with inflation. Why do you think that is? A lot jobs are paying 1990's wages with 2013 inflation, and largely due to illegal immigration. Does anyone benefit? Perhaps the consumer you might suggest. Except, that consumer also has an obligation to pay taxes, indirectly supporting those trying to get by in these low paying occupation. I think we were better off when these occupations paid enough for the worker to feed his/her family without government subsidies.
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If you blame illegal immigration for low wages, then how about blaming the people who hire them in the first place?
The illegal worker is doing it to survive, the business owner is doing it for profit. The argument they must break the law to maintain their business is lame. I'm certain the business owner can find a job at minimum wage!
You want to stop illegal immigration, penalize those that do the hiring.
What if we had an immigration policy that any person who could physically arrive in the USA would be given legal status to remain in the country? But would be subject to periodic review, to ensure that they did not engage in any criminal activity, maintained a job or at least employability or education or training to that end, and learned English and maintained assimilated American cultural values.
The simplicity of legal entry would encourage them to enter legally in the first place, thiusenabling authorities to register them and keep track of them. And, would empower authorities to apprehend those who failed to meet the ongoing requirements, and deport them. This would not guarantee that every single alien was of good standing, but would reduce to a very small number the problematic ones who did not comply with registration and "probation" formalities. There would be a high probability that those allowed to stay would meet the expectations of positive Americanization.
Basically, give everybody a green card when they arrive at the border, but with a frequent requirement to report and meet the immigration criteria. Say, every six months.
It seems unfair to blame people for wanting to be Americans, and to call them criminals for that fact alone. of they show a willingness to meet all the criteria of positive citizenship.
Immigration has been good for the country, that is not the issue. The country has a right and duty to control who enters based upon their background and likely contribution or burden to society.
(4) Applicant entrepreneurs seeking to import and employ foreign temporary labor must attest such qualified labor is unavailable in the USA. I’d be more willing to believe such an affidavit if the employers stated qualification requirement reasonably fit the tasks to be performed and the employer had previously made a sincere effort to recruit such labor from our nation’s labor pool. In a capitalist economy, offering more money and improved conditions are indications of sincerity.
Just to notice, this point already exists but it has nothing to do with illegal immigration, hasn't it?
For a person who watched the US from the outside I think the greatest problem with illegals is that they enter the United States thinking the states are some kind of a heaven on Earth, where money grows on trees and everyone is rich and happy. The reality is, unfortunately, much harsher. People in Mexico need to be warned that living in the US is not a fairytale and getting wealthier requires the very same effort as getting wealthier in Mexico.
Immigration has been good for the country, that is not the issue.
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The country has a right and duty to control who enters based upon their background
and likely contribution or burden to society.
Which is why it's so critically important to NOT allow the use the term "immigrant" in any way when
referring to people who aren't entering legally; as well as to tighten up what rights these people have
been able to take advantage of once here: in particular citizenship for their children born here.
If you blame illegal immigration for low wages, then how about blaming the people who hire them in the first place?
The illegal worker is doing it to survive, the business owner is doing it for profit. The argument they must break the law to maintain their business is lame. I'm certain the business owner can find a job at minimum wage!
You want to stop illegal immigration, penalize those that do the hiring.
Perhaps you should read what I wrote more carefully. There was a time when business owners were profiting by hiring illegals. In many industries today, you need minimum wage labor just to get by. You're not going to hire an American for minimum wage to do laborious, dirty, noisy, or otherwise unpleasant work. You might have to pay at least $12/hr until you find the American willing to do the job, but they probably won't work as hard as you need. Either way, you would lose business to the guy paying his crew minimum wage. Labor costs must be passed on to the consumer in the cost of the goods/services provided. If the consumer can find a cheaper business, they will. That's the reality many business owners face today.
In essence, the business IS doing it to survive. Their options are to compete by any means possible, or close the business down because they can't make a profit by hiring Americans.
1.) Build a wall. Armed guards. Dogs. Well lit signs on Mexican side. Shoot to kill orders on this side.
2.) No entry without visa.
3.) National ID cards. I am very conservative but not a conspiracy nut.
4.) Ag workers must register and get a photo ID. No excuses not to have it on you at all time. Leave it at home and hello Mexico.
5.) Deport illegals. Give 72 hour notice. Just put them on a bus and drop them off at the border. No trials, etc.
People think you can't stop people from coming in. I think we can. With that being said, I could never give the order to do these things.
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