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Old 10-27-2014, 09:43 AM
 
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You still watch mtv lol

not rly that was joke. never got into mtv.
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Old 10-27-2014, 09:45 AM
 
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It really is wonderful to see that great American tradition endure, hard-working immigrants seeking a better life, coming to build our country. Germans, Irish, Italians, Poles, Slavs, and now many others.
Too bad these new ILLEGAL immigrants don't want to use the front door like in the past. Breaking the law is not how to start life in the usa.
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Old 10-27-2014, 09:46 AM
 
Location: southern california
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well that means that apple and BMW are pitching to a very small group spending a great deal of money.
how is that working out? bear in mind 46% of americans work.
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Old 10-27-2014, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Southwest Minneapolis
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I love the inevitable irony in these discussions.

Any time there is talk of income inequality, wage gaps etc. you will have countless posts about Wall Street, Reaganomics, CEOs etc. People will talk about how in the 1980's greed took over in America and we have been in decline ever since.

The irony is that it is because of the massive leaps in technology and standard of living that took place in the 80s, 90s and 2000s that all of these people say "a family of four NEEDS $xx,000 or even $xxx,000 just to SURVIVE."

People have this romanticized image of the 1950s when dad went to the plant for 8 hours a day five days a week and came home to his solidly middle class family. While there was a fleeting period of time that this was possible, the definition of "solidly middle class" has changed since then.

The average home built in the 1950's was 983 square feet. In 2013, the average new home size hit a record of 2598 square feet. Meanwhile the average family size has decreased. (Note: they've decreased in number, not in clothing size.) The "solidly middle class" people that lived in these 983 sq ft homes didn't have designer clothes, luxury SUVs, IPADS, PODS and the like, Hawaiian vacations, private lessons and tutors and the list goes on and on.

Yes, its true. Some people make a whole lot of money and have a whole lot of stuff. Most of those people worked hard, innovated or did something that you and I didn't to get all that stuff. Most of the rest of us that work reasonably hard still live reasonably well by anyone's standards.

Winston Churchill said it best: "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
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Old 10-27-2014, 09:50 AM
 
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You mean report taxable income less than 28,031
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Old 10-27-2014, 09:54 AM
 
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False dichotomy. Having the choice is 'look for' higher paying employment is not a choice with much or any utility for many Americans.
Seemed to work just fine for me. I never stayed in a job that I felt underpaid. I just looked for a higher paying job. Sometimes simple is the best. Oh, you mean that some people wait in the lower paying job for that offer from a higher paying job to come "knocking". Yea, I didn't want to accept what I had. I went looking for bigger and better.
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Old 10-27-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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Even though every period of enormous immigration in this country's history coincidentally happened to be the periods of largest economic growth.

This whole "immigration ruins the economy" thing is played out and has been proven fallacious by anyone with even a 1st grade level of economic understanding time and time again.

is large economic growth good for unskilled workers? or just for their landlords?
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Old 10-27-2014, 10:00 AM
 
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Seemed to work just fine for me. I never stayed in a job that I felt underpaid. I just looked for a higher paying job. Sometimes simple is the best. Oh, you mean that some people wait in the lower paying job for that offer from a higher paying job to come "knocking". Yea, I didn't want to accept what I had. I went looking for bigger and better.

fail.

unskilled workers can look all they want but are unlikely to land higher paying employment.
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Old 10-27-2014, 10:02 AM
 
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Picking fruit is a 'good middle class job'?
You need to get out more. The so call "stereotypical" job for illegals are not all picking fruit or landscaping.
Lots of factory jobs and many good paying construction jobs. At least back in the early 90's, Now these good skilled trades jobs wages have been stagnate for the last 15-20 yrs. Flooded with illegals.
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Old 10-27-2014, 10:04 AM
 
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Even though every period of enormous immigration in this country's history coincidentally happened to be the periods of largest economic growth.

This whole "immigration ruins the economy" thing is played out and has been proven fallacious by anyone with even a 1st grade level of economic understanding time and time again.

immigration is not bad for "the economy" but largescale low-skilled immigration is terrible for "the economy of low-skilled workers".
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