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Old 12-29-2015, 02:24 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Butterfly4u View Post
As I see it, the people who really run this country, the few, top 1 percent of the American
population, don't care about anyone else but themselves. They just want the other 99 percent
to keep arguing.
Think of a big pie, then cut off a small slice out of the pie.
That is what 99 percent of the American population has.
The rest of the pie, the one percenters have.
Sooo, to keep it, they just have to keep everyone else arguing about anything
so they are content with their little piece of pie.
You name it, Race, Immigration, Women's Rights, Abortion, whatever.
They don't care what 99 percent of the country argues about, just so that we argue.
Get it?
We don't have a Democratic government, we haven't had one in decades, so Congress that
we are suppose to "elect" look out for the interests of the one percenters.
They write the tax law, so they do what they want to.
They own the politicans, people.
Just so the people argue about anything but the truth.
They don't care.
You got part of it right.

The problem is, the 1% is actually being painted with too broad a brush. The percentage who are actually running the show are more like the .00001%.

They probably do love that we argue incessantly about which form of dictatorship we prefer i.e. Corporate Cartel-ism vs. Communism. They are really 2 sides of the same coin. China's elite figured out how to merge the two. The rest of the world is marching to the same drum.

 
Old 12-29-2015, 02:28 AM
 
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This is always my favorite argument made by the "raise the minimum wage" crowd. Why? Because it is a prime example of cherry picking data to fit your argument. 1968 saw a drastic spike in the minimum wage. Adjusted for inflation, 1968 was the highest that minimum wage has ever been. What you people don't like to talk about is that if we were to adjust the minimum wage based on when it started in 1938, it would be sitting at around $4.10 per hour.

Minimum wage is minimum wage. Stop trying to lift people out of poverty by trying to equalize the skilled and the non skilled labor pools and start demanding policies that promote domestic job growth. We'll all end up much better off that way.
Agreed. And if you average the two together (10.56 + 4.10 / 2), you get $7.33 in 2013 dollars, so only slightly below where it is now...but this doesn't take into account that a lot of states have higher minimums.

In any event, $15 is well beyond the minimum wage's high water mark for purchasing power.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 02:32 AM
 
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Can you point to one time in the last 75 years where raising the minimum wage had a long term effect (5+ years) of reducing poverty? I seriously doubt that you can, because when the minimum wage goes up, the market has a tendency to fix itself. If the minimum wage goes up to $15 per hour, within 2-5 years $15 per hour will be poverty wages. Historically, this has happened with every minimum wage hike since 1938.
It will also be poverty wages because humans like to compare themselves to others. If you're at the bottom of the wage scale, there's going to be a pretty strong tendency to feel poor regardless of the purchasing power of your wages.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 02:41 AM
 
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This only shows that these businesses who laid of workers were marginal business to begin with. They were weak to begin with; simple as that. Not all businesses are good businesses and not all businesses deserve to be in business.
You're actually making the argument against a $15 minimum, whether you realize it or not. Many business that pay low wages are marginal, almost by definition. These are typically low profit margin businesses. When you raise their cost of doing business, they go out of business, raise prices, lay people off, or cut hours, which is exactly what one would expect when you raise the price of anything.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 02:44 AM
 
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Why are you ignoring the fact that the main reason that Wal Mart can employ people at the wages that it does is because they are getting their wages subsidized by the taxpayers?
So take away the various subsidies and let people ask for more pay.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 02:53 AM
 
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And, the board, is made up of their buddies, who in turn get raises from their boards and so on, we're not blind...
Yes, this is the thing that gets called "capitalism" by socialists. But it's not capitalism. It's cronyism. Socialists say the answer is more government laws and intrusion into the labor market. So this is how both the Corporate Fascism/Cartelism and Socialism/Communism gain more and more control over our lives. On the surface, they appear to be opposites, but they are really just 2 different factions of the same elite accruing more power for themselves.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 03:12 AM
 
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blah blah blah. "I'm on an Internet board and I can be an ass to anyone and everyone that I want to."

.....If you think you know a person through an anonymous Internet forum then I cant imagine what your personal and professional life outside of city-data must be like. Get real.
Heh, funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 03:14 AM
 
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Oh, it is a difficult life. No two ways about it.

The solution is for the individual to obtain marketable job skills which command higher wages. That is a real solution, which works not just in theory but in practice.
Or to give the kid up for adoption.

That is our core problem in America. We think life should be easier than it is and we get upset when we find out "easy" doesn't exist.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 03:22 AM
 
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As someone who lives in an expensive major city, I would rather the government focused on lowering average house prices and cost of livings in expensive cities rather than increasing minimum wages.
Me, too. The best way to do that is to build more housing so that there is more supply/demand balance. But often NIMBYs and zoning regulations prevent significant building of new housing, which means home prices and rents skyrocket.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 03:25 AM
 
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Sure there are some bad workers but it is the managers job to motivate the employees and make their job easier.
Speak for yourself. It's MY JOB to be motivated to do my job. Not my manager's. Yes, managers should obviously work to make things run efficiently, which includes removing obstacles to work being done efficiently and safely.
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