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Old 10-24-2010, 07:34 PM
 
Location: St. Paul
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A professor of mathematics at the University of Illinois wrote an interesting opinion piece in Saturday's Washington post, arguing that contrary to conventional wisdom, educational institutions in the United States are teaching more math than warranted and questioning the utility of learning advanced math for most people.

I personally enjoy math, believe strongly in its mind stretching properties, and will encourage my kids to take as much of it as possible. Nonetheless, I found the professor's opinion thought provoking, well written, and certainly worthy of consideration.

I am curious to hear others' reactions, and I would encourage folks to actually read the piece before responding. The link is below.


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Old 10-24-2010, 07:51 PM
 
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I love math. I even went through calculus 3 in college, but I see no reason to have done so other than my enjoyment of math. The only math I use in my day to day life is keeping a running tab in my head when shopping.
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Old 10-24-2010, 08:08 PM
 
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I think this vein of thinking goes hand-in-hand with those who question whether the majority of US students should even be tracked for college, in lieu of more "practical" hands-on apprenticeship-based programs, such as you find in Europe.

The professor argues that math aptitude has remained stagnant despite a great push for reform in teaching methodologies in the 1980's and we've wasted precious educational resources just spinning our wheels. However, I think despite the lack of higher test scores we've see the impact of math education in the explosion of 21st century tech trends like cellular communication, the Internet/www, biotech & even finance/investing. America is a leader in all these knowledge-intense fields and it's doubtful we'd be in this position had we shortchanged our youth 20 or 30 yrs ago by lowering math/science requirements.
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Old 10-24-2010, 09:03 PM
 
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Not everyone is going to be able to do math, no matter how much tutoring, and time they spend on it. My daughter is like this, she just does not get "it". In HS, Algebra has been the bane of my life, trying to get her passed this class, Some kids just don't get math....
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Old 10-24-2010, 10:24 PM
 
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Not everyone is going to be able to do math, no matter how much tutoring, and time they spend on it. My daughter is like this, she just does not get "it". In HS, Algebra has been the bane of my life, trying to get her passed this class, Some kids just don't get math....
Not everyone is going to be able to read, no matter how much tutoring and time then spend on it. Some kids just don't get reading...

Does that sound right?
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Old 10-24-2010, 10:43 PM
 
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I looked up the author and found that he is a statistician.

It is interesting to me that he thinks that most people will have no use for math since statistics *are* important in terms of people being able to judge things we vote for.

How can you evaluate which life insurance or health insurance policy is right for you without a knowledge of statistics? The fact is you cannot and this is why many people get taken for a lot of money. How can you understand election predictions without a knowledge of statistics? You can't. How can you evaluate anything without some idea of what statistics mean?

if you are innumerate, it is likely that you are losing money because of your everyday banking decisions. Many people collect only 1 to 3% interest on money in a savings account while simultaneously paying rates as high as 18 to 20% on credit card balances.

If you don't understand basic geometry (and especially areas and perimeters), how do you figure out whether or not that carpet company or fence company is charging you too much?

What do you think contributed in large part to the housing crisis we are going through?

The Worry Free Life: Innumeracy
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:19 PM
 
Location: maryland
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I looked up the author and found that he is a statistician.

It is interesting to me that he thinks that most people will have no use for math since statistics *are* important in terms of people being able to judge things we vote for.

How can you evaluate which life insurance or health insurance policy is right for you without a knowledge of statistics? The fact is you cannot and this is why many people get taken for a lot of money. How can you understand election predictions without a knowledge of statistics? You can't. How can you evaluate anything without some idea of what statistics mean?

if you are innumerate, it is likely that you are losing money because of your everyday banking decisions. Many people collect only 1 to 3% interest on money in a savings account while simultaneously paying rates as high as 18 to 20% on credit card balances.

If you don't understand basic geometry (and especially areas and perimeters), how do you figure out whether or not that carpet company or fence company is charging you too much?

What do you think contributed in large part to the housing crisis we are going through?

The Worry Free Life: Innumeracy
I think he means advanced math and not basic math. Why should someone going for a law degree need to study calculus for example?
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:21 PM
 
Location: maryland
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I think this vein of thinking goes hand-in-hand with those who question whether the majority of US students should even be tracked for college, in lieu of more "practical" hands-on apprenticeship-based programs, such as you find in Europe.

The professor argues that math aptitude has remained stagnant despite a great push for reform in teaching methodologies in the 1980's and we've wasted precious educational resources just spinning our wheels. However, I think despite the lack of higher test scores we've see the impact of math education in the explosion of 21st century tech trends like cellular communication, the Internet/www, biotech & even finance/investing. America is a leader in all these knowledge-intense fields and it's doubtful we'd be in this position had we shortchanged our youth 20 or 30 yrs ago by lowering math/science requirements.

American companies are at the forefront...that does not mean the engineers in them are nothing but americans however does it? People who are into math are going to learn it because they enjoy it. You are not going to make most people enjoy it by forcing them into it. We would still be on top even without those standards.
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:33 PM
 
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Not everyone is going to be able to read, no matter how much tutoring and time then spend on it. Some kids just don't get reading...

Does that sound right?
Yes, it does. Some children have severe learning disabilities...Does that sound right?
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Old 10-25-2010, 06:31 AM
 
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I think he means advanced math and not basic math. Why should someone going for a law degree need to study calculus for example?
Why, because it expands their minds. Do you REALLY want to live in a society where people ONLY study what they will do for a living? Do you realize that by doing this we would actually go BACKWARDS educationally. Much of education is exposure to ideas, concepts, ways of thinking. One of the most important things I learned in college was to look at issues from many different perspectives. I think there is a GREAT need for this in our society and not enough people learn how to do this because they are so focused on 2+2. Just think how much more reasonable our society would be if people could see things from other's perspective.
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