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Old 12-26-2012, 10:28 AM
 
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They would be trained in martial arts but not forced to use them.
How would you do that without having them practice? Is it even possible to practice martial arts without simulating violence?
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:54 AM
 
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How about if we use this pretend money for more counselors to take care of our troubled kids so they don't turn out to be deranged adults?
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:05 AM
 
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How about if we use this pretend money for more counselors to take care of our troubled kids so they don't turn out to be deranged adults?
This is a very good idea. Of course, people don't want their hard-earned money to go to people who are down on their luck. People who make too much money to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to pay for mental health services are just stuck.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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How would you do that without having them practice? Is it even possible to practice martial arts without simulating violence?
I'm not an expert on Quakers or Buddhists, but aren't they even allowed to break boards?

And I don't want to get too bogged down on these details, but you will find that Buddhist countries have armies, secret police, and all that, and while there is no Quaker army the famous Sidwell Friends School (for example) does have a football* team and they do allow armed Secret Service officers on campus.

*American football, not soccer.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:50 AM
 
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How about if we use this pretend money for more counselors to take care of our troubled kids so they don't turn out to be deranged adults?
The beginning of a solution. Bullet proof vests on kids? Good grief. Who would really want their child to deal with that? It wouldn't stop somebody from aiming a bit higher, say at their heads, either. This is not a burden to be placed on kids. This is a problem for adults to solve. Mental health issues need to be addressed without stigma. And, guns need to be realistically controlled.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:08 PM
 
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Exactly, how do bullet proof vests protect against head shots or leg shots ripping femoral arteries, etc.

Maybe you want kids wrapped up in full body armor, including helmets and face masks

Martial arts- how is a six year old is expected to stop a deranged adult with an assault rifle ? Seriously?

There are no easy solutions. We could start by making it harder to enter schools, like no glass doors but maybe more solid metal doors that are not easily breached ; constantly monitored long range security cameras so people can be seen walking up to a school. Maybe monitored gates or entry ways far from the actual school doors ??

I'm sure school boards and police try hard and put their heads together they could come up with some things to try. Nothing is ever 100 % fool proof. But making it harder to enter so there is time to try to stop a nut case is what is needed.

Children need a calming, pleasant learning environment, not sitting in class in armor, in terror.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:14 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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There's a lot of the body that bulletproof vests don't cover. The head, lower abdomen, legs, arms, etc.

Also the vest weighs a ton and it stinks pretty bad after a couple of months of wearing it in hot weather, even when you're washing the carrier often (can't wash the ballistic panels and they just plain absorb the stink).

Making it harder to enter might help or it just might make nutcases change their behavior to something that would lure people out...setting a fire for example, then waiting as the children were lined up and led out.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:15 PM
 
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1. The damage to our kids when we place them in an environment where they are constantly afraid would be incalculable.

2. All the training costs way more money than the taxpayers are willing to spend. So would bullet proof vests or any other protective clothing.

3. Teachers want to teach. None of us went into education to be prison guards. None of us went into education to be soldiers either.

4. It seems to me that children who are in these kinds of situations are more likely to have mental health issues and to become paranoid enough to take out other children.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:52 PM
 
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And if some nutter upgrades his weapon to a semi auto 7.62 Nato round what then ?
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:00 PM
 
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How about if we use this pretend money for more counselors to take care of our troubled kids so they don't turn out to be deranged adults?
How about if we use this pretend money for better ways to treat our troubled kids so they don't turn out to be deranged adults? I work with students with severe emotional and behavioral disorders and they see every counselor, psychiatrist, school psychologist and therapist known to man and it doesn't help a bit. We need to start plowing more money into Universities to start coming up with more effective, innovative and cutting edge medicine and treatment options for mental illness instead of hiring thousands of more counselors who are worthless because they have no effective options to work with. And this isn't an indictment against school counselors and psychologists. They can only work with what options and treatments are available to them, and what they have available is not working. It'd be like a carpenter trying to hammer nails with a rubber mallet. He can't do his job effectively if he doesn't have the correct tools to get the job done. We plow billions of dollars into cancer research, yet virtually ignore mental health research. Obviously the medicine, therapy, behavioral systems and every other option we have out there is not working, or else we wouldn't have these people shooting up our schools.
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