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Old 04-08-2017, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Incidentally, I worked, illegally, at the age of 13 in multiple home-based business ventures, some not of my parents' making. Please prove to me that I was "harmed".
Thank you for admitting that you can't trust employers to skirt child labor laws.
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Old 04-08-2017, 12:35 PM
 
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Thank you for admitting that you can't trust employers to skirt child labor laws.
I don't follow where you are going with this. Are you talking about large corporate employers and those engaging in interstate commerce, that the federal laws target? I grew up in a state with much more restrictive laws than the federal ones. It would have been legal in some other states because it was below the annual sales amount specified in the FLSA ($500k).
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Old 04-08-2017, 12:40 PM
 
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Did Einstein work hard or was he having fun?
Some of both. I doubt, however, that the German schools of the time taught math and science the same way American schools do today.
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Old 04-08-2017, 12:53 PM
 
Location: midwest
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Wow, physics! You're working hard, I'm sure. Good luck!
Did Einstein work hard or was he having fun?

Sorry; but dial from phone. LOL
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Old 04-08-2017, 12:56 PM
 
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Ncole, at no place did I say that a grocery store was a sweatshop.

However, I know of grocery stores that skirt child labor laws.
I have also worked at a place that had violations, but most of them were by accident, for example, because the lower level managers did not know that meetings counted towards the maximum number of hours that could be worked. I was 18 when I worked there so it was legal.
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Old 04-08-2017, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I have also worked at a place that had violations, but most of them were by accident, for example, because the lower level managers did not know that meetings counted towards the maximum number of hours that could be worked. I was 18 when I worked there so it was legal.
LOL, they "didn't know".
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Old 04-08-2017, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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LOL, they "didn't know".
Agreed. It's not knowing on purpose.
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Old 04-08-2017, 01:46 PM
 
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Did Einstein work hard or was he having fun?
As a student, it would have been work. Very hard work. Because keeping the professor who has control over your future is very hard work. Later on, once he was able to do his own thing, however ....


I certainly had a love/hate relation with grad school. Loved what I was learning, loved the environment and interaction with other students. Hated the time wasting false directions my professor sent me down because he didn't understand my topic. Hated the interminable nit picking and re-writes I had to do which were nothing more than happy to glad changes (these were the days before laser printers so every rewrite mean paying a professional typist to retype it and even a one word change meant a week getting it typed up).
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Old 04-09-2017, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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k-12 is a series of tests. That is it. They have facilities for this sort of thing.
So when are parents going to help their children bypass the nonsense?
Only if they go and enter into private schools. Home schools still have tests to answer to, especially eSchool or iSchool programming. Don't get me wrong, I hate testing standards mainly because I have great recall so it was typically easy for me. Braindump on English essays based on what the essay asks on books or texts you read, math tests were just formula dumps or calculations and science and history were fact based. I recognize that isn't the case for everyone, but it was for me. I don't know what to do because we all know schools have to be held up to the standards, but the tests aren't working.
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Old 04-09-2017, 04:45 PM
 
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Only if they go and enter into private schools. Home schools still have tests to answer to, especially eSchool or iSchool programming. Don't get me wrong, I hate testing standards mainly because I have great recall so it was typically easy for me. Braindump on English essays based on what the essay asks on books or texts you read, math tests were just formula dumps or calculations and science and history were fact based. I recognize that isn't the case for everyone, but it was for me. I don't know what to do because we all know schools have to be held up to the standards, but the tests aren't working.
I think bypassing the nonsense can be done even if the kids have to attend the school.

However it matters if the particular kid wants to learn things or not. This did not exist when I was in school:

https://www.khanacademy.org/

School was easy for me also. The problem was they didn't go fast enough or cover what I cared about. Now you can get a computer for $9.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...rst-9-computer

The peripherals will cost $30.

But what does a college expect someone to pay for a Python course?


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